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2013 Cyfair vs HISD
Schools in Cy fair continue to be open concept. Just wondering if there are any new comments regarding pros/cons of this. My daughter will be entering Kinder in August, so I am exploring whether HISD or CyFair would be better district. I'm questioning the open concept, it seems highly distracting even if one is not attention deficit.
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02-17-2013, 09:51 PM
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Schools in Cy fair continue to be open concept. Just wondering if there are any new comments regarding pros/cons of this. My daughter will be entering Kinder in August, so I am exploring whether HISD or CyFair would be better district. I'm questioning the open concept, it seems highly distracting even if one is not attention deficit.
I don't have any experience with Cy-fair, but open concept schools failed in the 70s and probably are destined to fail again.
Here's an article about why it is making a comeback and why that isn't really a good idea.
Open Concept Schools: Why is the “Failed Experiment” making a Comeback? « Educhatter's Blog
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School design architects like Nair are inclined to base their designs upon the “form follows function” principle. Perhaps that is why, whatever the intention, the new designs tend to conform with so-called “progressive” learning theories and to undervalue the need for more contained learning spaces better suited to direct instruction and knowledge-based pedagogy. They also completely ignore or are oblivious to the many studies documenting the decline and fall of “open concept” schools and classrooms from 1968 until 1979.
It is certainly possible for an open concept school to work, but it is going to depend a lot on how teachers adapt and it will also depend upon having spaces available for smaller groups and direct teaching for some concepts. Some children will find open classrooms extremely intimidating due to the level of noise. I know that any kids with auditory sensory issues will not do well in that environment.
02-18-2013, 11:17 AM
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Open-concept is bad, in my opinion. A big issue I have with open-concept is that it completely nullifies the "exciting, let's go, go, go!" kind of teacher that many elementary students respond so well to.
But, this is Texas. We tend to believe that lining up kids quietly with their hands behind their backs is wonderful where in other states they would see this as too prison like (just the hands behind the back part; we all want quiet lines!).
02-18-2013, 11:18 AM
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Every school I attended while growing up - Spring ISD for elementary/middle, and Cypress Creek HS - were all built in the 1970s as open concept, but by the time I started attending (kindergarten in 1993), they had all erected the same kind of non-structural prefab metal wall panels. Most of them had large windows in the upper half, and one or more panels would have a door. Sometimes they would omit panels here and there in order to create a shortcut between two or more classrooms. Some areas of my elementary school didn't have the prefab walls everywhere, so makeshift walls were made out of rolling cabinets, chalkboards, bookshelves, whatever.
02-18-2013, 12:56 PM
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Open-concept is bad, in my opinion. A big issue I have with open-concept is that it completely nullifies the "exciting, let's go, go, go!" kind of teacher that many elementary students respond so well to.
But, this is Texas. We tend to believe that lining up kids quietly with their hands behind their backs is wonderful where in other states they would see this as too prison like (just the hands behind the back part; we all want quiet lines!).
Huh?
Open concept has much less lining kids up quietly than traditional classrooms. Open concept classrooms means that there are many classes in a large open space.
In some ways, open concept goes back to the one-room school house, but in a larger setting. Many grades all in one space with teachers attempting to teach their classes while chaos rules around them.
02-18-2013, 01:22 PM
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All of my kids (4) went to three different "open concept" Cy-Fair schools and none of them had a problem with it. The way most of the schools are designed in Cy-Fair, there are multiple barriers between the classrooms such as cabinets, shelves, etc. They tend to only have 4 classrooms (sometimes 6) in an "open" section that is surrounded by conventional walls, but there are no doors, just openings. The dividing cabinets compose the interior walls in each classroom. Now there is some inherent noise, but it is not an "all open" setup where the kids are distracted constantly. Sitting at their desks they are in their own little classroom. Now I agree that real classrooms would probably be better in many situations, but the "open concept" is not as bad as we would have thought. Of course the middle and high schools are conventional, so that is a good thing. And not all classrooms are open. The open schools also have probably 20% of the classrooms that are conventional. And I recall the kindergarden rooms only had two classes in one large room, again divided by cabinets down the middle. I can say the times we visited, we never really noticed any problems with the design.
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Growing up I experienced both open-concept and traditional classroom design, and I actually prefer the open-concept style. Perhaps I'm better at focusing than some but I don't remember it being particularly noisy or chaotic. The 'rooms' were delineated by colorful cabinets, shelving etc and you couldn't really see into other 'classrooms' - which as trbstang points out, are just a few in your pod. I remember it felt light and airy, a much more cheerful environment than a closed room.
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It takes a very special and talented group of teachers and administrators to do open concept correctly. It is not about walls, it is about mental barriers.
My kids attended one of the very first open concept schools back in the 70's. It was great. The best principal in our town delayed retirement to get it up and running. The day she retired and they sent in some guy who just never understood anything. He destroyed it in 4 years.
My kids loved it enough that as adults they continue to teach in the same environment. It must work. My grandson made a perfect score on one of those test. It got him a full 4 year scholarship. The university even gives him money for whatever he wants to do in the summer. Saved his parents a ton of money.
02-18-2013, 03:58 PM
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I know this is an old thread but thought I would throw in my two cents. I went to school in the Cy-Fair school district in the 1970's and early 80's. I have not read the research, but I am able to tell you that I consistently had attention problems in my math classes because I was too busy listening to a history or language arts teacher in the adjoining area. Putting large numbers of kids and multiple subjects in the same area is plain nutty in my opinion. The only positive I can possibly think of for this model is that it probably cost less to build an open concept school versus a walled one.
As far as I know, all of the schools I attended have now had walls added (Matzke Elementary, Bleyl Junior High, and Cypress-Creek HS). As a long time educator, I bow before the teachers that had to endure the open concept model. I could not imagine teaching a child with ADD or ADHD under those conditions.
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People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)