04-02-2013, 09:38 AM
Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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Can you imagine the faces on everyone if the rodeo ever did for some reason abandon us after all these demands?? LOL.
Where in the hell would they go ? Where else are they going to get packed houses at Reliant Park for two weeks straight? Any other city that can support a Rodeo has one allready.
Who is demanding what from whom? It is the Rodeo that is demanding we do this or that?
04-02-2013, 10:52 AM
Location: Waterworld
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Where in the hell would they go ? Where else are they going to get packed houses at Reliant Park for two weeks straight? Any other city that can support a Rodeo has one allready.
Who is demanding what from whom? It is the Rodeo that is demanding we do this or that?
It was a hypothetical question.
And yes, I should have made my wording better, it is the rodeo demanding a lot recently.
04-02-2013, 12:20 PM
Location: Breckenridge
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There have been "good ideas" put forth. I suppose wether an idea is good or not is subjective to say the least. But to dismiss the CS&L option as "preposterous" shows that you have a blind bias against any redevelopment of the Dome and probably are a Rodeo cronie. lol
As far as the Rodeos percieved power. I think they are more the Hatchet man on this, but I do think they, along with the Texans are interested in making themselves even more indespensible to Reliant Park, so that they can leverage that power for some future negotiation with the county. Spending this $270 million today may save us from spending even more in extortion money at some future date.
I am no Rodeo Cronie. I actually think it is stupid. Though I do love to go to cook off. Besides that I have only been to rodeo once in my life. I was forced to go too. I have friends that love being on rodeo committees and stuff. I will say that is brings in a lot of money to our economy. I think it is a tradition here. Though personally, I could careless if we ever had it again.
I have no problem with a redevelopment of the Dome. I am just realistic with what needs to be done with a 60 year old structure. I have some idea because I majored in engineering and I am now a developer. Sometimes it is easier to just start from scratch. Many times it is also cheaper. I have been reading about this stuff for years. I like to keep up with what is going on in Houston. I ready about it daily from swamplot, etc... I just don't see this happening.
I think there are so many other more important things we could spend our money and time on in Houston. We have so many parks in Houston that need work. I know the development of Buffalo Bayou needs more money. I hope the river walk park of it gets built.
Level it and lets move on with life. Concentrate on things that we can actually improve.
04-02-2013, 02:29 PM
Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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I am no Rodeo Cronie. I actually think it is stupid. Though I do love to go to cook off. Besides that I have only been to rodeo once in my life. I was forced to go too. I have friends that love being on rodeo committees and stuff. I will say that is brings in a lot of money to our economy. I think it is a tradition here. Though personally, I could careless if we ever had it again.
Calling you a Rodeo cronie was a joke BTW.
Yes the Rodeo does have a cultural and economic benefit to the community, but you will have to show me how they will be harmed by us not capitulating to their demands. The Texans already got their digital scoreboard to smoze the Superbowl, why didn't they let us know then that we would have to tear down the Dome as well to consumate that deal? The CS&L proposal takes into account the possibility of Houston landing the 2017 Superbowl. Thats why they say to take advantage of these improvments in time for that game we need to start work soon, which is another reason the opponets want to stall any renovation plans knowing soon the only option we will have that could be ready for 2017 is the Parking lot option.
How much would it cost to build a structure with over 400,000 square feet of floorspace and over 200 vertical feet of clearance without support columns from scratch? I bet a good deal more than 270 million. Guess what,? we have a structure just like that today! And we are the only city in the USA that has a space like that its called the Astrodome.
I'm sure your knowledge of Engineering is adequate for whatever it is that you develope, but I'm sure the people at CS&L have a good bit of Engineering expertise themselves and on top of that they probably understand the Visitor and Convention landscape in this world quit a bit better than either of us. If you can show me that they are somehow biased, I'm willing to listen, but I would trust their objectivity a lot better than I would the HLS&R or the Texans on this issue.
04-02-2013, 02:53 PM
Location: Breckenridge
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It might cost more than 270mil, but the long term costs will be much much lower. The dome is not energy efficient. That 200feet of clearance has to be cooled. I am sure there are cracks where air leaks out all over. It probably has no insulation. It aging structure that will require lots of repairs which add up. You also get those ever fun surprises when renovating. I would like to see the long term costs over the next 30 years. Not just how much it takes to renovate. No matter what you do that thing will still be ugly on the outside. The layout is very poor to renovate. It was built to be a stadium, not a convention center. Yes, the Summit was reused. It is also tiny in comparison. I am not siding with the Rodeo or the Texans. I want what is realistic. I don't want to wait another decade and be back to square one.
04-02-2013, 06:02 PM
Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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It might cost more than 270mil, but the long term costs will be much much lower. The dome is not energy efficient. That 200feet of clearance has to be cooled. I am sure there are cracks where air leaks out all over. It probably has no insulation. It aging structure that will require lots of repairs which add up. You also get those ever fun surprises when renovating. I would like to see the long term costs over the next 30 years. Not just how much it takes to renovate. No matter what you do that thing will still be ugly on the outside. The layout is very poor to renovate. It was built to be a stadium, not a convention center. Yes, the Summit was reused. It is also tiny in comparison. I am not siding with the Rodeo or the Texans. I want what is realistic. I don't want to wait another decade and be back to square one.
I would think that 270 mil will get us a new roof and effecient HVAC, asbestos abatement ect.. If not I would be the first to reject such a proposal. Also I would expect the numbers to be verified by a bidding process, but the same would be the case with any proposal under consideration.....
If 270 mil gets us a like new facility that preserves the inner space of the Dome then I am all for it..
04-02-2013, 06:23 PM
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I don't mind giving it a closer look. I do think that if we have to vote on this it will fail.
04-03-2013, 06:58 AM
Location: Houston/Brenham
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I don't mind giving it a closer look. I do think that if we have to vote on this it will fail.
270 million dollars?!? It will fail quicker than NBC's latest sitcom.
04-03-2013, 07:30 AM
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270 million dollars?!? It will fail quicker than NBC's latest sitcom.
lol... Yea, we just floated 2.7 billion dollars worth of projects with bonds in the last election. There is zero chance of this or just about anything that costs a lot of money passing.
04-03-2013, 08:18 AM
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270 million dollars?!? It will fail quicker than NBC's latest sitcom.
Why doesn't somebody start one of those polls and we can test the waters so to speak. I would, but either I don't know how, or I am not allowed to for some reason,(I have searched for a new thread or poll link to no avail)
I would suggest a poll that identifies the voter so we can discount the out of county voters.
Suggested wording
Would you vote for a bond issue to repurpose the Astrodome ?
Yes, I would vote to spend any amount neccessary
Yes, I would vote to spend up to 270 million
No, I would only vote to save the Dome as is.
No, I would only approve of funds to tear it down
No I would only approve of the parking lot for pickup trucks solution
It is totally unscientific but may shead some light on how people are thinking....
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People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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