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Old 07-13-2010, 08:28 AM
 
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Planet Water
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Nonsense. I do not play nationalist games here. But. To you not to hide from the facts.

http://depositfiles.com/files/5p7vjj2ou

........ ... centuries cost on Russian soil Moscow. About it it is written and told so much that, apparently, as if about this ancient city all is known. But it at all so. Unfortunately, our knowledge in the history quite often happen superficial. Even we read the brightest pages of the past not attentively. And data on the most sign historical places often we take not from ancient documents . from tourist directories. One of such places is the Moscow Kremlin. A surprising fortified city. A power stronghold, the ancient spiritual centre which is a symbol of Moscow and all Russia. Greatness of the Kremlin amazed in all centuries. In its stories always there was something held back, any secret sense and value. Many researchers have spent years of a life to solve secrets of this fortress. But , the solution was at them near at hand. It was necessary to glance simply in … … the Bible.....


http://depositfiles.com/files/bbg3fnqoe
.... ........ The description: Kulikovsky fight - one of the greatest events of Russian history. It is considered that battle on a Kulikovo field in 1380 was the first step on a way of clearing of Russian earths from a mongolo-tatar yoke. Whether but so it was actually? Results of long-term researches of the Russian scientists speak absolutely about other. That there were at that time in Russia no conquerors. That was not three hundred years of a yoke of Golden Horde. That on a Kulikovo field of an army of Dmitry Donskogo battled not to steppe nomads. They had absolutely other opponent. And the place which is considered today a Kulikovo field, carries not the name. About it eloquently speak both archeological finds, and ancient Russian annals. So where actually there were known historical events? Where it, this field of Kulikovo? ....


Look it. You can not understand. But. You will see pictures.

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Old 07-13-2010, 12:32 PM
 
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This is suppose to be about the Mongol invasion of Europe. For this reason, that is what I am going to talk about.

The invasion of Poland started with the battle of Legnica.

One legacy of the Mongol invasion of Poland is Heynal Mariacki(St. Mary's dawn). A bugle player would play that tune to warn of invasion. This was played during the invasion. What happened was that the bugler was struck with an arrow and the tune ended abruptly. Today, that is how it is played from the highest tower of St. Mary's Church in Krakow,Poland.
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Old 07-13-2010, 01:25 PM
 
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This is suppose to be about the Mongol invasion of Europe. For this reason, that is what I am going to talk about.

The invasion of Poland started with the battle of Legnica.

One legacy of the Mongol invasion of Poland is Heynal Mariacki(St. Mary's dawn). A bugle player would play that tune to warn of invasion. This was played during the invasion. What happened was that the bugler was struck with an arrow and the tune ended abruptly. Today, that is how it is played from the highest tower of St. Mary's Church in Krakow,Poland.
Show me a film. Please. Archaeological, genetic proofs, the weapon, letters on Mongol language , Name .
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Old 07-13-2010, 02:47 PM
 
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Show me a film. Please. Archaeological, genetic proofs, the weapon, letters on Mongol language , Name .
Mongol invasion of Poland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hejna
Battle of Legnica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the sources are listed too.


YouTube - Mongol Invasion of Europe - Part 2
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Old 07-13-2010, 03:42 PM
 
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The inquiry. Why nomads? It not those nomads from desert... Nomads because they have been compelled to move to feed the war horses.
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Old 07-13-2010, 04:14 PM
 
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I have seen there dates: 12хх year. You are confident that "intrusion" has occurred these years? You are confident that real events there are written?
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Old 07-13-2010, 04:25 PM
 
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It is a sea chart from Ekaterina's epoch , and the European trade mark. There it is written: the Card is composed in 750 year.
http://img.pixs.ru/storage/3/0/2/karta1JPG_3420985_815302.jpg (broken link)
And I595 year from Jesus birth.
http://img.pixs.ru/storage/3/0/7/karta3JPG_6561226_815307.jpg (broken link)
Intrusion into Poland similar on attack robbers. It not intrusion of "Mongol".Because people of a different nationality served in army of the Khan ( in annals ).
Different ethnic groups joined the power of the Prince and Khan , that the European states have not been generated before "intrusion". Then princes and Khans have seized the power and have located on the occupied places - so the European states have turned out. Have then started to "wipe" history of the earths. To prove an antiquity of the dynasty.

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Old 07-13-2010, 10:23 PM
 
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I think if the Mongols had pushed on, the situation would have been similar to that in China. The Mongols would maybe have established a puppet ruler, or one of their own, to rule Eastern Europe for maybe a century at most, before the United Nations of Europe re-took it. They would have adopted the local customs.etc as in China, but since spread too thinly would not have consolidated their victory. Eastern Europe might be a little more Mongolized than it is now, but the cultural imprint wouldn't be that much deeper.
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:31 AM
 
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I think if the Mongols had pushed on, the situation would have been similar to that in China.
Yes. Yes. Them have invited: Come to us. Operate us. "Mongols" freely knew Slavs And Arabian language, were "pagans" and Christians... It not seems to you it is strange? It is written in books of the historical chronicle "Zadonhina". It is possible to find the text where написанно that army "Mongols" was at war against the Khan!) khans thanked Perun, Muhamed and Salavat.... The Buddhism did not exist?
There there is Khan Tohtamysh, Khan Mamaj, the Khan Bety .... There are no "Mongols", there are not present "Chingiskhan".
Khan Bety It not a name, this nickname. Ukrainian language: Baty - the father. That whom we now name "Mongols" these are very small people (Not the big number) . And many of them at that time had a society organisation as at Indians in America. Go the big distance they could not. At that time it was impossible to get from Moscow to Novgorod, roads not was, there were bogs. "Mongols" before intrusion into Europe Go 3000 kilometres on bogs... They went on the tank , and they had planes unexpectedly to create a problem. What for I tell it.... It were necessary to understand who "Mongols". It is obligatory.
That that we see on the TV and films, it contradicts archeology and annals and documents from the past. It concerns all events.

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