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I'd say overrepresentation in the white slave trade, organized crime, pornography, communism, and financial chicanery is a way of disenfranchising a people.
You wish. These are just excuses Nazis and their sympathizers used. The vast majority of Jews had nothing to do with any of those things. The Germans on the other hand, as a country were more than happy to enslave white people during World War II. Instead of communism they brought fascism, and while most Jews were anti-communist (recall religion of any kind is against communism), many Germans were more than happy to cheer the fascist behemoth as they marched into every corner of Europe. You can point to a few Jews who were a major part of the early communist regimes, but by the time the Nazi death machine rolled into town Stalin had purged them and had essentially absolute control.
Just face it, the Nazis were trash, and their Jewish victims mostly were everyday people who were being blamed for the failings of Germany in World War I and beyond. Hitler would have ended western civilization if he had won. He was way worse than Stalin.
You wish. These are just excuses Nazis and their sympathizers used. The vast majority of Jews had nothing to do with any of those things. The Germans on the other hand, as a country were more than happy to enslave white people during World War II. Instead of communism they brought fascism, and while most Jews were anti-communist (recall religion of any kind is against communism), many Germans were more than happy to cheer the fascist behemoth as they marched into every corner of Europe. You can point to a few Jews who were a major part of the early communist regimes, but by the time the Nazi death machine rolled into town Stalin had purged them and had essentially absolute control.
Just face it, the Nazis were trash, and their Jewish victims mostly were everyday people who were being blamed for the failings of Germany in World War I and beyond. Hitler would have ended western civilization if he had won. He was way worse than Stalin.
- True but the majority of Germans had nothing to do with Nazism either but shouldered the blame regardless
- From my families first hand experience, compared to German troops the Russians treated Poles worse and were uncivilized. The Russian mongol troop stereotype had truth to it
- Jews did back Communism (if not blatantly run it in Russia). I don't blame them: It promised equality after being mistreated under the Czar
- While we all disagree with Nazi ideology, the society was far from trash. Americans questioning whether they sided with the right side Nazi vs Soviet, isn't just because of the eventual Cold War. Eastern Europe under Soviet control declined in education and infrastructure. That doesn't occur under the Nazis. German society was (and still is) a model for Western civilization. I disagree Hitler would have ended it, the sick truth is Europe might be better off. 80 years later, white race is declining in numbers and European continent being over-run by outsiders. Nazi or Soviet is an easy choice but the real question is whether Europe is better off today than it would have been without WW2 occurring. Poland would today be 15+ % Jewish. I'm not sure that's a good thing.
You can point to a few Jews who were a major part of the early communist regimes...
A FEW? Nearly all of the NKVD was Jewish. The list of Jews in the communist colossus is rather lengthy, and even if there were a few, the ones involved did enormous damage. The Jew Lazar Kaganovic, known as the Butcher of Ukraine, ordered for an estimated seven million Ukrainians to die. Genrich Yagoda was head of the NKVD for some time and lorded over the Gulag system and his methods for rule lead to a hefty casualty lit.
Of course not all Jews were involved in this and many innocent Jews have suffered throughout history. But to expect human beings not to retaliate or for there not be enormous collective backlash of some kind when very powerful people do some damage is naive.
As I said, there's more than a few to point to. And it was not just in the early years of communism in Europe. After the war, many communist countries had Jews in powerful governmental positions.
The old "Hitler was the most evil man who ever lived" and "Nazi Germany was a state of terror" crap is tiresome, outdated, and annoying at this point.
What a completely stupid thing to say. I'm not rude on here, but equating Churchill, a good man who was against the Nazis from the get go and we couldn't have stopped them without his help, with Hitler is absolutely disguising. It's obvious that you don't know your history either.
To the OP, both Stalin and Hitler were terrible people, it doesn't matter who was more terrible, they were both parasites to our world.
WE couldn't have stopped them. I always find these points hilarious for the reason WE shouldn't have been stopping them. The USA got itself involved in that war - just like Vietnam - and put on the greatest show on Earth in the European theater. No other country but Germany had the resources to truly fight that war. WE then beat up the Japanese in the Pacific theater.
WE couldn't have stopped them. I always find these points hilarious for the reason WE shouldn't have been stopping them. The USA got itself involved in that war - just like Vietnam - and put on the greatest show on Earth in the European theater. No other country but Germany had the resources to truly fight that war. WE then beat up the Japanese in the Pacific theater.
Not much has changed from the war monger POV.
What does this mean? Reports have American soldiers out classed by the more experienced and driven East-Europeans.
Germany was defeated before D-Day occurred. How/why did it take the "largest amphibious invasion in world history" so long to reach Germany? Reports state when Western troops were faced with heavy losses they retreated, when Eastern troops faced heavy losses they attacked harder.
If Nazi Germany invaded the USA on open grounds like they did Russia, they would have been victorious. Americans didn't and still don't possess the backbone to withstand such sacrifice and life lose.
This is a more diverse group of posters than I'm used to reading.
Hitler v Stalin, who was worse?
For there to be a "worse" between two choices means that the other is "better". I don't think "better" can be applied to either under any circumstance.
Who was responsible for the most death?
To begin with, the internet is easy enough to operate and if you've made it to here I'm sure you can find anything, so don't expect me to clutter up my post with links. If you don't believe me I don't think links will help that.
I have seen a generally accepted number of deaths attributed to Hitler of 17 million. That pans out with what I've always heard.
Stalin comes in at about 23 million, again, that jibes.
But let's look a little a farther.
Lenin presided over about 6 million during his day. No one seems to like to talk about that.
Tojo was good for 5 Million. No one really talks much about Tojo.
Then there's a guy who rarely gets recognized. Even I wasn't aware of this. Let's give a warm welcome to Leopold II of Belgium. He is "credited" with 15 million kills in the Congo. That's quite a feat for a man I never read about in school. Actually, it may have been a lot less, but who's counting? A few million here or there.
But all these gentlemen were mere amateurs. There is only one who stands alone at the pinnacle of mass murder: Mao Zedung.
Yes, Mao was in a class by himself. His legacy only begins at about 40 million but may go as high as 78 million human beings killed by his word. We'll probably never know the true number, but golly that is a lot death. I guess after the first the rest are easy.
78 million is almost the population of modern Germany. Awesome.
He died in his sleep in bed, I believe. Apparently of Parkinson's. I'm sure he had plenty of pain relievers. He was 82, a full life.
1. True but the majority of Germans had nothing to do with Nazism either but shouldered the blame regardless
2. From my families first hand experience, compared to German troops the Russians treated Poles worse and were uncivilized. The Russian mongol troop stereotype had truth to it
3. Jews did back Communism (if not blatantly run it in Russia). I don't blame them: It promised equality after being mistreated under the Czar
4. While we all disagree with Nazi ideology, the society was far from trash.
5. Americans questioning whether they sided with the right side Nazi vs Soviet, isn't just because of the eventual Cold War. Eastern Europe under Soviet control declined in education and infrastructure. That doesn't occur under the Nazis.
6. German society was (and still is) a model for Western civilization.
7. I disagree Hitler would have ended it, the sick truth is Europe might be better off.
8. 80 years later, white race is declining in numbers and European continent being over-run by outsiders. Nazi or Soviet is an easy choice but the real question is whether Europe is better off today than it would have been without WW2 occurring. Poland would today be 15+ % Jewish. I'm not sure that's a good thing.
1. The majority? Yes. However, didn't a third or so of Germans vote for Hitler during the Great Depression? If so, then that is still a pretty large amount (though of course, it is worth noting that it would have been rather hard to believe what would have occurred over the next 15 years back in the early 1930s).
2. If you are talking about ethnic Poles here, then I will need to do some research on this. That said, it is worth noting that unlike the Nazis, the Soviets did not appear to have any plans to implement Lebensraum in Poland.
3. In the USSR? Yes. However, I don't think that Jews were ever a majority of the Politburo (or whatever it is called). Heck, even the first Politburo was majority non-Jewish. As for Jews making up a disproportionate (relative to their share of the total population) percentage of Communists in the USSR, Yes, Tsarist anti-Jewish repression probably had a lot to do with it.
However, it is also worth noting that many Jews, especially outside of the USSR, rejected Communism and were actually staunch patriots of their home countries--for instance, many Jews volunteered to fight for Germany (and sometimes got killed fighting for Germany) during World War I.
4. You mean German society? Yeah, I suppose you might be right, if you exclude all of the genocidal maniacs and genocide supporters in Germany, that is.
5. I am not sure that the Nazis would have managed Eastern Europe better. In fact, their policies of genocide, ethnic cleansing, and Lebensraum might have actually made Eastern Europe much worse off than Soviet Communist policies actually did.
6. Western German society after WWII? Yes. Nazi German society? Heck No!
7. Ended what? (Sorry, I am too lazy to check this.)
And No, I don't think that Europe would have been better off had the Nazis won WWII.
8. Why exactly is a declining percentage of Whites and large numbers of Jews and/or other ethnic and/or racial minorities bad things, though? Honestly, I don't see a problem with increasing diversity at all.
A FEW? Nearly all of the NKVD was Jewish. The list of Jews in the communist colossus is rather lengthy, and even if there were a few, the ones involved did enormous damage. The Jew Lazar Kaganovic, known as the Butcher of Ukraine, ordered for an estimated seven million Ukrainians to die. Genrich Yagoda was head of the NKVD for some time and lorded over the Gulag system and his methods for rule lead to a hefty casualty lit.
Of course not all Jews were involved in this and many innocent Jews have suffered throughout history. But to expect human beings not to retaliate or for there not be enormous collective backlash of some kind when very powerful people do some damage is naive.
As I said, there's more than a few to point to. And it was not just in the early years of communism in Europe. After the war, many communist countries had Jews in powerful governmental positions.
The old "Hitler was the most evil man who ever lived" and "Nazi Germany was a state of terror" crap is tiresome, outdated, and annoying at this point.
Can you please tell me which Jews (other than Lazar Kaganovich, obviously) in prominent positions in the USSR were never purged/killed by Stalin or earlier than Stalin?
1. The majority? Yes. However, didn't a third or so of Germans vote for Hitler during the Great Depression? If so, then that is still a pretty large amount (though of course, it is worth noting that it would have been rather hard to believe what would have occurred over the next 15 years back in the early 1930s).
2. If you are talking about ethnic Poles here, then I will need to do some research on this. That said, it is worth noting that unlike the Nazis, the Soviets did not appear to have any plans to implement Lebensraum in Poland.
3. In the USSR? Yes. However, I don't think that Jews were ever a majority of the Politburo (or whatever it is called). Heck, even the first Politburo was majority non-Jewish. As for Jews making up a disproportionate (relative to their share of the total population) percentage of Communists in the USSR, Yes, Tsarist anti-Jewish repression probably had a lot to do with it.
However, it is also worth noting that many Jews, especially outside of the USSR, rejected Communism and were actually staunch patriots of their home countries--for instance, many Jews volunteered to fight for Germany (and sometimes got killed fighting for Germany) during World War I.
4. You mean German society? Yeah, I suppose you might be right, if you exclude all of the genocidal maniacs and genocide supporters in Germany, that is.
5. I am not sure that the Nazis would have managed Eastern Europe better. In fact, their policies of genocide, ethnic cleansing, and Lebensraum might have actually made Eastern Europe much worse off than Soviet Communist policies actually did.
6. Western German society after WWII? Yes. Nazi German society? Heck No!
7. Ended what? (Sorry, I am too lazy to check this.)
And No, I don't think that Europe would have been better off had the Nazis won WWII.
8. Why exactly is a declining percentage of Whites and large numbers of Jews and/or other ethnic and/or racial minorities bad things, though? Honestly, I don't see a problem with increasing diversity at all.
The fear is ending up like the USA: more white deaths than births. I agree, a little diversity is a great thing but upwards of 15+ percent of one specific foreign race and religion is too high. That's essentially 2 out of every 10 people have different goals and priorities in mind. After all the suffering and more importantly resilience Poland endured in the past 300 years, to see the culture die off would be quite devastating.
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