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Okay okay, of course there are different weapons for different scenarios. Bows and crossbows are great as well as BP arms for many scenarios as others mentioned where too many moving parts can be a problem etc etc..
Let me just make one up.
You are at work. All of the sudden everything electronic across the entire planet FRIES completely. A magic genie appears and says I grant you one rifle and one pistol. What would they be? All you know is that our modern world has just collapsed as far as electrical technology goes, and that will include modern vehicles. You are in a fairly populated area.
Although I'm not the OP I'd like to propose that we make it a question of what gun or guns without resupply. The US has fallen victim to an occupying force. Almost all of the cities and the people in them are firmly in the hands of the occupiers. The people are getting food and they're happy about having the government take care of them. The only holdout big metropolitan area is the Wahsatch Front. The enemy is afraid to bomb them because there are rumors that they have nukes. But they're in bad shape and people are on very short rations. You need to stay away from towns and settlements because you're a known freedom fighter with a price on your head. You're boxed in for now but it's a big box. You're somewhere along the old Outlaw Trail, that vague corridor that runs from eastern Wyoming at the Hole in the Wall to the Mexican border near Douglas. There are people who'll help you but you need to be very careful. All of the ranchers are on your side but some of those ranches have enemy soldiers dressed as ranch hands. There are enemy patrols all over. You can't use a motorized vehicle for any but the shortest time because they'll pick up the heat.
There's one other point. You know where the nukes have been placed and you know how to set them off if you can get to a hidden control center. Your plan is to set off one or two, then send the enemy an ultimatum.
You have WAYYYYYY to much time on your hands
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You are at work. All of the sudden everything electronic across the entire planet FRIES completely. A magic genie appears and says I grant you one rifle and one pistol. What would they be? All you know is that our modern world has just collapsed as far as electrical technology goes, and that will include modern vehicles. You are in a fairly populated area.
First off, there is a large difference between "electric" and "electronic".
An EMF blast would shut down computers and other electronics using Isolinear chips, but would have very limited effect on power generation or older cars for instance that don't have computers onboard.
Most Hydro-electric plants could be run using older controls, even manual control to generate power, Coal fired the same thing, the only plants that would be shut down would be nuclear. That means power at least in a limited form could be put back up quickly. Sure your new coffee maker might not function, but you would have lights and power for tools at least on a limited basis.
Anyway, with these doomer porn type situations, why do you need a genie? All you have to do is see which one of the wannabe Rambos comes charging out on the street shoting and screaming. If you have a 22 you can take him out (a shot to an unarmored head, neck, or femoral artery and they are down), and "liberate" his weapons to carry on your own action movie fantasy.
I don't see as realistic any scenario that mirrors a hundred Schwartzeneger/Willis/Stallone (insert action star name here) movie. If that were the case, you could have a death ray gun that doesn't need recharging
If something happened where you actually did have to protect yourself in a suburban or urban situaton, a 12 guage pump shotgun would work fine. Slugs work up to 100 yards, so you are covered there, using both buckshot and birdshot you have a decent hunting weapon for all cases once you evacuate, buckshot is great as an offensive/defensive load in close quarters. A 22 revolver would take care of any Coup De Gras you may have to administer where you didn't want to get a knife or your boot dirty.
If you don't have to fire a shot to get your objective, that is when you win as nobody knows that you were even there.
Any automatic or semi auto weapon will chew up a lot of irreplacable ammo quickly, you couldn't carry enough to get you out of the full video game kind of scenario that seems to be envisioned here.
To get out of town, use cover, move slowly, keep away from where the gunfire is, don't draw attention to yourself, and you will probably be able to evacuate.
Ever notice that snipers can be some of the most effective fighters on a battlefield, but there are only a few of them? The Battalions of cannon fodder can take and hold ground, but they loose a lot of men in the process.
The sniper is stealthy, nobody knows they are anywhere around until it is too late. Special ops use the same tactics to make their small force units much more effective.
Charging down the center of the street shooting works ok in video games, but it makes you a target and dead in the real world.
Fairly populated area -- 12g shotgun (any of the quality brands), pump with extended mag, different rounds for different species and situations, minimal issues with ammo availability and compatibility, effective as a club once ammo runs out
Fairly populated area -- 9mm (any of the quality brands), full/extended mag, minimal issues with ammo availability and compatibility, close-quarter fast draw and backup only
Fairly populated area & nothing electronic -- no rifle. Rifles are not that effective in close-quarter mobs, or against multiple moving targets... unless we're talking stationary sniping, and I'm crap without my electronic sight.
First off, there is a large difference between "electric" and "electronic".
An EMF blast would shut down computers and other electronics using Isolinear chips, but would have very limited effect on power generation or older cars for instance that don't have computers onboard.
Most Hydro-electric plants could be run using older controls, even manual control to generate power, Coal fired the same thing, the only plants that would be shut down would be nuclear. That means power at least in a limited form could be put back up quickly. Sure your new coffee maker might not function, but you would have lights and power for tools at least on a limited basis.
Anyway, with these doomer porn type situations, why do you need a genie? All you have to do is see which one of the wannabe Rambos comes charging out on the street shoting and screaming. If you have a 22 you can take him out (a shot to an unarmored head, neck, or femoral artery and they are down), and "liberate" his weapons to carry on your own action movie fantasy.
I don't see as realistic any scenario that mirrors a hundred Schwartzeneger/Willis/Stallone (insert action star name here) movie. If that were the case, you could have a death ray gun that doesn't need recharging
If something happened where you actually did have to protect yourself in a suburban or urban situaton, a 12 guage pump shotgun would work fine. Slugs work up to 100 yards, so you are covered there, using both buckshot and birdshot you have a decent hunting weapon for all cases once you evacuate, buckshot is great as an offensive/defensive load in close quarters. A 22 revolver would take care of any Coup De Gras you may have to administer where you didn't want to get a knife or your boot dirty.
If you don't have to fire a shot to get your objective, that is when you win as nobody knows that you were even there.
Any automatic or semi auto weapon will chew up a lot of irreplacable ammo quickly, you couldn't carry enough to get you out of the full video game kind of scenario that seems to be envisioned here.
To get out of town, use cover, move slowly, keep away from where the gunfire is, don't draw attention to yourself, and you will probably be able to evacuate.
Ever notice that snipers can be some of the most effective fighters on a battlefield, but there are only a few of them? The Battalions of cannon fodder can take and hold ground, but they loose a lot of men in the process.
The sniper is stealthy, nobody knows they are anywhere around until it is too late. Special ops use the same tactics to make their small force units much more effective.
Charging down the center of the street shooting works ok in video games, but it makes you a target and dead in the real world.
OMG you are worse than a woman with a hypothetical question! I KNOW all of this already!!!! All I asked is that people comment on what they would grab as quick as they could in a situation that I was asked to define......Jesus....... I am now logging off forever. Live long and prosper people.....
Fairly populated area -- 12g shotgun (any of the quality brands), pump with extended mag, different rounds for different species and situations, minimal issues with ammo availability and compatibility, effective as a club once ammo runs out
Fairly populated area -- 9mm (any of the quality brands), full/extended mag, minimal issues with ammo availability and compatibility, close-quarter fast draw and backup only
Fairly populated area & nothing electronic -- no rifle. Rifles are not that effective in close-quarter mobs, or against multiple moving targets... unless we're talking stationary sniping, and I'm crap without my electronic sight.
OMG you are worse than a woman with a hypothetical question! I KNOW all of this already!!!! All I asked is that people comment on what they would grab as quick as they could in a situation that I was asked to define......Jesus....... I am now logging off forever. Live long and prosper people.....
LMAO!!!
I KNEW this was Doomer porn!!
Look, if you want endless and mostly pointless debate about the finer qualities of black rifles and the infintesimal differences between an AKCARMINIGDR +whatever number designator, from any other of the same type of weapon, the firearms forum would be your best fit.
Most preppers or self sufficent types, (not all, as there are the militant survivalists dreaming of a zombi appocolypse ), look to the practical and pragmatic, in other words, some miniscule basis in fact even if it is far fetched.
Practical weapon in urban environments? 12 gage shotgun.
Practical pistol? 22 Revolver. A 44 Magnum or larger works as a hunting weapon, but the ammunition can be hard to find, is heavier and not everyone can handle those weapons effectively.
Practical hunting/survival weapon? A Bow is best because you can make your own ammunition.
Practical Rifle? A single shot 308 will handle both self defense and hunting, but a 22 is a good choice for small game.
Practical rifle for long term survival? A flintlock in .50 caliber as it doesn't need any caps, you can manufacture the gunpowder, and if you have the molds you can cast your own bullets. The mechanism is simple and the lock/trigger assembly can be fabricated with a file if necessary. Same for a flintlock pistol.
Nothing fancy, no 3000 rounds per minute sent downrange, workhorse weapons.
High powered assult type black rifles with magazines that hold 100 rounds are great in armies, (and video games) but for practical purposes are fairly useless for survival.
Perhaps the exception would be the M-1 Garand in 30-06 or the M-14 in 308 as both are proven battle rifles that can also be used for hunting.
For former military calibers, personally I like the 45-70 because while it is short range, it has the power to handle any large North American game animal, but isn't practical because the ammunition can be hard to come by.
Usually, high rate of fire = loss of pinpoint accuracy, wasted ammunition, and if the parts break or wear out, require specialized metals and machining to replace if no spare parts are available.
Prepping means using tools that have multiple uses, can be fixed or repaired using basic tools, will last for a long time, don't require something to operate that will run out or be hard to find, and is simple to operate and maintain.
Different strokes.
I have a CAR-15, and a 9mm auto pistol. They are fun to shoot gophers with, but I would never consider them as survival weapons.
The rifle would be a T/C Encore with a .45-120 barrel. That's the most powerful .45 blackpowder cartridge ever made. It has a 3 1/4" case and fires a 550 grain bullet. It's a reliable man killer up to a half mile if you can calculate the the trajectory. The old timers used scopes as I would. Even though it's a single shot I could defend myself against a number of attackers indefinitely. I have fired the .45-120 in a Shiloh Sharps. Recoil is heavy but not impossible.
I learned that Shiloh never made a .45-120. I likely shot a .45-110 load with 120 grains of powder. The Sharps factory closed in 1881 and the .45 cartridge with the 3 1/4" case didn't come out until 1884. Shiloh won't chamber anything that Sharps didn't originally chamber. Now there's no question that I did not shoot that long case but a shorter one; but there's more than a little controversey on the origin of the cartridge case I first described.
Now, I need to check to find out if I can get a .45-120 barrel for an Encore.
I'm happy with the present scenario that the group is using but I'll stay away from the cities so my weapons won't be city weapons.
I learned that Shiloh never made a .45-120. I likely shot a .45-110 load with 120 grains of powder. The Sharps factory closed in 1881 and the .45 cartridge with the 3 1/4" case didn't come out until 1884. Shiloh won't chamber anything that Sharps didn't originally chamber. Now there's no question that I did not shoot that long case but a shorter one; but there's more than a little controversey on the origin of the cartridge case I first described.
Now, I need to check to find out if I can get a .45-120 barrel for an Encore.
I'm happy with the present scenario that the group is using but I'll stay away from the cities so my weapons won't be city weapons.
Could have been a Taylor & Co. and not a Shiloh Sharps. T&C do make a 45-120.
I learned that Shiloh never made a .45-120. I likely shot a .45-110 load with 120 grains of powder. The Sharps factory closed in 1881 and the .45 cartridge with the 3 1/4" case didn't come out until 1884. Shiloh won't chamber anything that Sharps didn't originally chamber. Now there's no question that I did not shoot that long case but a shorter one; but there's more than a little controversey on the origin of the cartridge case I first described.
Now, I need to check to find out if I can get a .45-120 barrel for an Encore.
I'm happy with the present scenario that the group is using but I'll stay away from the cities so my weapons won't be city weapons.
You can customize to calibers from 30-40 Kraig up to 50-90.
A little spendy, but quality weapons for the enthusiast. These are the guys that made the rifles for the movie Quigly Down Under with Tom Sellack.
This link is to a site for custom Encore Barrels. Encore Rifle Barrels
They might be able to set you up with a 45-120 barrel for your Encore.
The Encore and Thompson Contender are excellent choices for reliable single shot weapons. I used to shoot pistol silouettes with the Thompson Contender with a 14" barrel, chambered for 30-30 Winchester.
The 45-70 pistol is a bit much to comfortably shoot, even with the muzzle break, but still a good quality weapon.
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I am now logging off forever. Live long and prosper people.....
Good night
), look to the practical and pragmatic, in other words, some miniscule basis in fact even if it is far fetched.
