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Old 04-28-2009, 09:26 PM
 
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What is "Hard Work"
Digging a hole large enough to roll two sets of 20" house-moving dolly wheels under a fifty year old Texas Panhandle house with short handled shovel in the middle of July? Backing a semi truck with a 40' container down 35 train flat cars 17 times then using a fifty pound impact wrench to tie each container down in the middle of January? Working in an unheated/non-cooled machine shop in hot and humid east Texas where your face and hands were black with cast iron dust at the end of each day?

I'm sorry but I will have to gloat. The poor Indonesian fellow has nothing over many Americans who have truly worked hard for what they have.
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Old 04-28-2009, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Nothing is relative. Work is hard, or is it not hard. Compare Work with Work. Why is that so difficult?
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:04 PM
 
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Nothing is relative. Work is hard, or is it not hard. Compare Work with Work. Why is that so difficult?
It's difficult because if nothing is relative, then how can we compare work with work? If you mean it would be harder to dig a canal with a teaspoon than with a shovel, then obviously that would be a comparison of 'work vs work'. But you'd have to mention how LONG it took, as well as how FRUSTRATING, to truly compare the two.

Other than that, are you looking for 'unpleasantness'? Does a worker in a sewer plant, with all its smells, who makes $50 K per year, work "harder" than a guy scooping "yummy" ice cream in an air-conditioned diner who makes $18 K per year? Does a logger in Washington who works in heavy clothing in drenching rain, work "harder" than a construction worker in California, who earns exactly th SAME salary, but works in shorts?

How does one compare "work with work" when nothing is relative?

"Hard work", for me, would be running a day care service for squalling toddlers. That would be IMMEASURABLY harder than raking hot asphalt, or mixing concrete, or cutting brush. ANY of those things, in my opinion, would be MUCH easier than changing diapers and wiping noses and breaking up 'squabbles'.
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Nothing is relative. Work is hard, or is it not hard. Compare Work with Work. Why is that so difficult?
You are suggesting though that everyone should get paid the same regardless of where they are -

That is irrational.
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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You are suggesting though that everyone should get paid the same regardless of where they are -

That is irrational.
No, Im not suggesting that at all. My post is only one line long. Read it:

"Nothing is relative. Work is hard, or it is not hard. Compare Work with Work. Why is that so difficult?"

Class, can somebody help him?
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Mississauga
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Work is hard work when you go 6 hrs into your shift so focused on what you are doing you haven't had anything to eat yet and realize when it is time to go home that you've had to go the washroom for hours.
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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What do you mean when you say that somebody "worked hard to get what they got"?

Person A is a villager in Indonesia, and destroys his body by the age of 40, bending over in a rice field all his life, for a dollar a day.

Person B sits in an ergonomic chair in a cubicle at a constant 72 degrees, wearing Gucci shoes, and makes as much money as 200 villagers.

Is Person B entitled to gloat "I worked hard for what I've got"?
Bet that Indonesian wishes they were here working hard for a better life. Isn't that why people immigrate here? Isn't that why they've always done it? For the opportunity to work hard for a better life?

Didn't the Gucci shoe guy work hard in school to do better than his classmates, not drop out, have a baby out of wedlock, probably finish college so he could have the opportunity to be comfortable in life.

Aren't there any now rich Indonesians who worked their way out of poverty or were they all born to royalty and wealth?
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Mississauga
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Digging a hole large enough to roll two sets of 20" house-moving dolly wheels under a fifty year old Texas Panhandle house with short handled shovel in the middle of July? Backing a semi truck with a 40' container down 35 train flat cars 17 times then using a fifty pound impact wrench to tie each container down in the middle of January? Working in an unheated/non-cooled machine shop in hot and humid east Texas where your face and hands were black with cast iron dust at the end of each day?

I'm sorry but I will have to gloat. The poor Indonesian fellow has nothing over many Americans who have truly worked hard for what they have.
Wow thats impressive. I've always respected people who work hard with their hands. I'm a small guy and its best I stick with the tough mental work. Your post reminded me of the History Channel show Ice Road Truckers...
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Bet that Indonesian wishes they were here working hard for a better life. Isn't that why people immigrate here? Isn't that why they've always done it? For the opportunity to work hard for a better life?

Didn't the Gucci shoe guy work hard in school to do better than his classmates, not drop out, have a baby out of wedlock, probably finish college so he could have the opportunity to be comfortable in life.

Aren't there any now rich Indonesians who worked their way out of poverty or were they all born to royalty and wealth?
Of course not. They want to come here for our freedom. Every fool knows that. What, did you skip third grade the day that was covered?

Actually, those that do come expect to work a great deal less hard here. Not many jobs in the US of carrying 300-pound loads up rocky roads barefooted 12 hours a day, half a day off on Sunday. We save the really hard work for the Ivy League grads.

Not dropping out of school and not having a baby hardly qualifies as "hard work".

They were mostly born to wealth. In the third world, crime is a much quicker way than hard work to become economically well off. Come to think of it, it might be in the US, too.
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Old 04-29-2009, 03:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You're equating hard work only with what would be difficult physical labor to one unaccustomed to it.
Bending over picking rice may be easy enough for the Indonisian worker because he's used to it and may require nothing more than that physical ability....no decision making, no stress, no other ability.

A counterpart may spend years diligently studying,being faced with difficult choices, completing whatever necessary tasks are required, forfeiting 'fun' times and even perhaps proper sleep in order to reach a goal.
He has 'worked hard' for it.
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