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Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca
You're too generous with the Mid-Atlantic in Virginia, and not all of Maryland is in that region either. The Mid-Atlantic does not spread all the way down to Richmond and the Tidewater, and the Upper South should go up to Route 50 or so in Maryland. Southern Maryland, the Lower Eastern Shore, and Tidewater Virginia are all southern in dialect and culture.
ALL of Maryland is Mid-Atlantic, and about 1/3 of Virginia is also. Pretty much anything that touches the Chesapeake Bay is Mid-Atlantic without argument, but as you go south and west of there it changes.
Pretty good map and I seem to agree with most of it. But for Texas, maybe the Deep South and Southwest should touch west of the Abilene metro area, along Austin and maybe along San Antonio and Corpus Christi.
But then again, I also don't consider Austin, San Antonio, Corpus Christi and Abilene to have too many similarities with the Deep South which warrants these places being the defining border between Deep South and Southwest.
Now that I think about it, I think an issue with the map is the name "Upland South" as that restricts its defining area to north of what is considered the "Deep South". I think Upland South should be renamed to something like "Exterior South", "Periphery South", etc. and then the "Exterior/Periphery South" can include the Abilene metro area (but not go west of that) go along Austin, maybe San Antonio and Corpus Christi.
In other words, Abilene, Austin, San Antonio and Corpus Christi can define the border between the Southwest and Exterior/Periphery South while Houston and Dallas can define the border between the Exterior/Periphery South and Deep South. Maybe we can say that the Deep South starts east of the Dallas and Houston metro area borders?
I'm sure Texans can offer better suggestions though.
It is hard to truly define a region because they're are so many factors that go into it. Geography, Culture, and Climate.
If we were just talking about Geography:
Southeast: Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama.
South: Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.
Southwest: New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, and Colorado.
Northwest: Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming.
Great Plains: North and South Dakota, Nebraska, and Kansas.
Midwest: Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Kentucky.
Northeast: West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine.
Alaska, and Hawaii are not included.
So relieved to finally have these regions defined, should bring an end to any debates. Although Maryland & DE are southeast, TX & OK are southwest, WV & KY are south, NY is northern mid-atlantic, PA is south mid-atlantic, OH is north-eastern southern mid-west, and Alaska is super duper PNW. And KS is south-western mid-west. Spot on otherwise.
It is hard to truly define a region because they're are so many factors that go into it. Geography, Culture, and Climate.
If we were just talking about Geography:
Southeast: Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, and Alabama.
South: Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.
Southwest: New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, and Colorado.
Northwest: Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming.
Great Plains: North and South Dakota, Nebraska, and Kansas.
Midwest: Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Kentucky.
Northeast: West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine.
Alaska, and Hawaii are not included.
So relieved to finally have these regions defined, should bring an end to any debates. Although Maryland & DE are southeast, TX & OK are southwest, WV & KY are south, NY is northern mid-atlantic, PA is south mid-atlantic, OH is north-eastern southern mid-west, and Alaska is super duper PNW. And KS is south-western mid-west. Spot on otherwise.
Hi Everyone — Recently, based in part on reviewing dozens of CD discussions like this one, I've finished the "beta testing" version of a county-based map of the regions of the US. What makes it different is that, rather than relying on more nebulous, hard-to-define senses of "culture," it is based on empirical data about environment and economy that is easily available for all 3,142 counties. I've started a thread to gather feedback on it, and I'm mentioning it here because it directly connects with the topic of this discussion.
Map is mostly decent, although I'd recommend the following changes
Upland South extends too far East: Should go no further east than Raleigh and southeast NC should be in the Deep South (actually arguably most of eastern NC should be, but not sure what to do with Outer Banks). SE Virginia is also hard to place.
Great Lakes should be pushed east in Minnesota; only covers the immediate shore near Lake Superior IMO and the rest is really Great Plains (both north and south).
Finally, in my opinion, Southwest should go well into southern UT as well as parts of southern CO more than they do.
NDFan, just curious — did you have a chance to see the map I just posted (I'm putting it below as well, for your convenience)? I think it addresses more of your comments.
I think my map addresses the points you raised, though perhaps not to the exact degree you'd prefer. (My Great Lakes region, for example, extends as far west as it does because I wanted to keep the whole Iron Range in the same region.)
My criteria for assigning each county are here: http://tinyurl.com/JPMapRules, but the most important factors are EPA ecoregions and dominant industry(ies).
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Originally Posted by NDFan
Upland South extends too far East: Should go no further east than Raleigh and southeast NC should be in the Deep South (actually arguably most of eastern NC should be, but not sure what to do with Outer Banks). SE Virginia is also hard to place.
Great Lakes should be pushed east in Minnesota; only covers the immediate shore near Lake Superior IMO and the rest is really Great Plains (both north and south).
Finally, in my opinion, Southwest should go well into southern UT as well as parts of southern CO more than they do.
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