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Old 02-26-2013, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Shaw.
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The Big 4 were New Yorkers. I dont know why people are basically attributing SF to New England?

And the first major english speaking settlement in SF were a group of Mormons, one of them, Samuel Brannan became the first millionaire during the gold rush, not because of gold but through selling supplies to miners.
There was quite a large number of New Englanders (and those of Yankee descent) settling in San Francisco. 10,000 went in 1849. New Englanders set up the schools--Berkeley was transformed into the Yale of the West and largely staffed by New Englanders. By 1853, the schoolboard was staffed by New Englanders and they made the Boston curriculum mandatory. I would say San Francisco was largely a combination of New Englanders and '49ers by 1850. The only difference is that the New Englanders had control of the education.*

I would say New Englanders had a stronger influence on the cities of the Pacific Northwest, but they had a huge influence in the area from the Bay to Sacramento. Samuel Brannan was from Maine, btw. For what it's worth the Mormons were largely Yankees as well (from upstate New York).

*Yankee mayors of SF:
Webb 1854
Van Ness 1855
Burr 1856
Teschemacher 1859
Alvord 1871 (Albany)
Otis 1873
Bryant 1875
Kalloch 1979
Blake 1881
Sanderson 1891

Over this period, they make up the majority of SF mayors (I would say New York is second). After this point, Californians start to become the majority. I think that's pretty significant.

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Old 02-26-2013, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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California makes the most sense to me, Texas is a good second and Missouri is an ok-ish third.

I can understand the Missouri argument and its interesting to hear as I have never considered it before but I feel like Missouri lacks in the religious diversity of California with its many religions and non-religious philosophies where as Missouri is very Catholic or very Protestant; still pretty representative of the US as a whole. The obvious geographical feature it is missing is coastline.
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:52 AM
 
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I'd say Oklahoma. You have a bit of the Midwest, a bit of a true West in the Panhandle, a lot of the South and even some of the eastern woodlands.
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:00 AM
 
Location: Cbus
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Ohio has suprisingly "southern" or "country" parts, the stereotypical midwestern cornfields and county fairs, and decently sized urban areas where you'll find a mix of people.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Boilermaker Territory
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Illinois is the most "demographically representative" of all 50 states.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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California has nothing that resembles the Northeast or South.
I guess you have never been here (and I'm an east coast native)
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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I'm still going with Ohio
Then California.
New York, Maryland and Virginia (if you include DC) are also potential contenders

The only way that Missouri can represent America in miniature is that it is almost smack dap in the middle of the USA. Illinois would be a better representation.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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There was quite a large number of New Englanders (and those of Yankee descent) settling in San Francisco. 10,000 went in 1849.
I cant find specific New England migration numbers to San Francisco in 1849, but but prior to that, the place already existed:

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In 1848 before the discovery of gold, California had a population of some 12,000 Mexicans - including Californians of Mexican descent, called Californios - in addition to about 20,000 Native Americans and only 2,000 Yankee frontiersmen, soldiers, and settlers.

The California Gold Rush
Californios were aristocratic families that were basically land barons
Calisphere - Californio Society, 1830s-1880s

Here is a list of the massive 'ranchos' were divided up during California's Spanish then Mexican rule.
List of Ranchos of California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Shaw.
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I cant find specific New England migration numbers to San Francisco in 1849, but but prior to that, the place already existed:



Californios were aristocratic families that were basically land barons
Calisphere - Californio Society, 1830s-1880s

Here is a list of the massive 'ranchos' were divided up during California's Spanish then Mexican rule.
List of Ranchos of California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't dispute that. But I provided you specific New England migration numbers to Northern California in 1849.

Anyway, there were 12,000 Californios (located mostly where?). But by 1855, California had a population of 300,000. Before gold, San Francisco's population was 800. After, it was 20,000.

I'm just talking about the New England influence on San Fracisco, not saying it founded the city.
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:18 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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