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View Poll Results: What is your view of the legislation and the death penalty?
In favor of both the reform and the death penalty 15 50.00%
In favor of the Death Penalty but against the reform 4 13.33%
Against both the Death penalty and the reform 9 30.00%
In Favor of death penalty and the Reform but would like to see the method of execution changed. 2 6.67%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-07-2013, 08:22 PM
 
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A stay granted hours before he was to be put to death,
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/08/us...tion.html?_r=0

Who knows how long that will last.

Interesting to see silence from those for the death penalty, RE: DNA testing denied. I guess so long as it's happening to somebody else, all is fine in the world. Typical.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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A stay granted hours before he was to be put to death,
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/08/us...tion.html?_r=0

Who knows how long that will last.

Interesting to see silence from those for the death penalty, RE: DNA testing denied. I guess so long as it's happening to somebody else, all is fine in the world. Typical.
What's your point? As we progress further and further within the world of science, DNA testing and so forth will be much stronger than it was in the 1980's and 1990's, the average death row stay is what? 20 years? This kind of story will surface a time or two until we start to get closer and closer to those convicted in the late 1990's/early 2000's.

It's tragic if/when someone innocent is put to death, but IMHO, I still believe that the death penalty is appropriate for those that choose to take another persons life.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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America has the highest rate of incarceration of citizens in the world. Why is that? American executions are carried out with the same vigor as in China. This idea of speeding up the process is based in economic reasoning. Is a life and a person only gauged by how much money a person has or has not? This is how you deal with societies mistakes....kill them?

I am with the others on this...Capital punishment has no place in a civilized society. So I guess you might as well keep doing what you are doing...seeing America is NOT a civilized country. That might be hard to take...but the fact that you produce so many criminals and kill so many of them is evident of that fact.
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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America has the highest rate of incarceration of citizens in the world. Why is that? American executions are carried out with the same vigor as in China. This idea of speeding up the process is based in economic reasoning. Is a life and a person only gauged by how much money a person has or has not? This is how you deal with societies mistakes....kill them?

I am with the others on this...Capital punishment has no place in a civilized society. So I guess you might as well keep doing what you are doing...seeing America is NOT a civilized country. That might be hard to take...but the fact that you produce so many criminals and kill so many of them is evident of that fact.
Neither does murder.
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Old 05-10-2013, 04:49 AM
 
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Neither does murder.
Too bad the death penalty does not to prevent one from murdering.
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:06 AM
 
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What's your point? As we progress further and further within the world of science, DNA testing and so forth will be much stronger than it was in the 1980's and 1990's, the average death row stay is what? 20 years? This kind of story will surface a time or two until we start to get closer and closer to those convicted in the late 1990's/early 2000's.
What's my point?! Did you not read the article?? He has been seeking DNA testing since 1994 and has been DENIED each time by the courts!

It has nothing to do with progressing "further and further within the world of science." It's here, we can do it, the courts have not allowed it.

All this nonsense that DNA exonerates the innocent and confirms guilt so the guilty ones should be killed is complete garbage because not everyone is allowed to get a DNA test done.

I'm not sure whether people are really that dumb in that they don't understand that DNA testing is not done for everyone or if they simply choose to look the other way.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Too bad the death penalty does not to prevent one from murdering.
No, but comparing the murder rates in states that don't have (or use) their death penalty, the numbers would dictate otherwise.

For example, Texas leads the nation since 1976 (when the US Government lifted their ban) with 497, yet NONE of Texas's cities make the top 25 most dangerous cities lists, and only one (Texarkana) is listed in the top 100 most dangerous cities lists.

Most Dangerous Cities?

1. Detroit (Michigan, no death penalty.)
2. St. Louis (Missouri, 68 executions since 1976, last one in 2011)
3. Oakland (California, 13 executions since 1976, last one in 2006, CA Government had placed a hold on future executions.)
4. Cleveland (Ohio, 51 executions since 1976, last one in 2013.)
5. New Orleans (Louisiana, 28 executions since 1976, last one in 2010.)
6. Newark (New Jersey, No death penalty.)
7. Atlanta (Georgia, 53 executions since 1976, last one in 2013.)
8. Baltimore (Maryland, 5 executions since 1976, Maryland Governor signed a law banning the death penalty.)
9. Memphis (Tennessee, 6 executions since 1976, last one in 2009.)
10. Kansas City (Missouri, 68 executions since 1976, last one in 2011)
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Old 05-10-2013, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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What's my point?! Did you not read the article?? He has been seeking DNA testing since 1994 and has been DENIED each time by the courts!

It has nothing to do with progressing "further and further within the world of science." It's here, we can do it, the courts have not allowed it.

All this nonsense that DNA exonerates the innocent and confirms guilt so the guilty ones should be killed is complete garbage because not everyone is allowed to get a DNA test done.

I'm not sure whether people are really that dumb in that they don't understand that DNA testing is not done for everyone or if they simply choose to look the other way.
It's hard to attempt to examine DNA evidence that's 19 years old, even IF it was collected properly in the first place, after all, it WAS 1994, not 2004.

From a Time Magazine article...
A Brief History of DNA Testing - TIME
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In the early days of DNA testing, juries confronted with the novel technology sometimes hesitated to convict based on genetic evidence — witness the O.J. Simpson trial in 1995, when the ex–football star was acquitted, in part as a result of doubts about the reliability of evidence based on blood found at the murder scene. But analysts say those doubts have eased as scientific know-how improves and the public becomes more familiar with the practice through TV and movies.
Keep in mind, we're talking about Mississippi too, not California, New York, Florida, or Texas..
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Old 05-11-2013, 06:01 AM
 
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No, but comparing the murder rates in states that don't have (or use) their death penalty, the numbers would dictate otherwise.

For example, Texas leads the nation since 1976 (when the US Government lifted their ban) with 497, yet NONE of Texas's cities make the top 25 most dangerous cities lists, and only one (Texarkana) is listed in the top 100 most dangerous cities lists.

Most Dangerous Cities?

1. Detroit (Michigan, no death penalty.)
2. St. Louis (Missouri, 68 executions since 1976, last one in 2011)
3. Oakland (California, 13 executions since 1976, last one in 2006, CA Government had placed a hold on future executions.)
4. Cleveland (Ohio, 51 executions since 1976, last one in 2013.)
5. New Orleans (Louisiana, 28 executions since 1976, last one in 2010.)
6. Newark (New Jersey, No death penalty.)
7. Atlanta (Georgia, 53 executions since 1976, last one in 2013.)
8. Baltimore (Maryland, 5 executions since 1976, Maryland Governor signed a law banning the death penalty.)
9. Memphis (Tennessee, 6 executions since 1976, last one in 2009.)
10. Kansas City (Missouri, 68 executions since 1976, last one in 2011)
What exactly do you think this list proves?
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Old 05-11-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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It's hard to attempt to examine DNA evidence that's 19 years old, even IF it was collected properly in the first place, after all, it WAS 1994, not 2004.
No, it's not. DNA lasts hundreds of years before it starts to break down.

They have hairs from the scene as well as fingernail scrapings from the victims PLUS the rape kit.


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From a Time Magazine article...
A Brief History of DNA Testing - TIME


Keep in mind, we're talking about Mississippi too, not California, New York, Florida, or Texas..
So you're saying juries in MS are too dumb to understand DNA evidence, so why bother with it? Just kill the man?
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