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Wearing foundation has the extra benefit of blocking some of the sun's rays from the face and neck, especially the newer makeup that has built-in UV protection. Compare the 45 year old natural looking face of the avid jogger or boater with the more dressy less active woman, and you will see a difference almost every time. It does more than cover up imperfections.
Where'd you get that from? Saudi women DO wear make up--and plenty of it.
I just looked it up. You are right. I got that impression because I read a story about how the "religious police" in Saudi told a woman at a mall that she can't use nail polish.
Well first off...men give mixed messages here. I am making a generalization when I say "men", BTW, I am aware of that. Some men say they like a natural, no-fuss look. Meanwhile, the porn industry grows, an industry which features very unnatural looking women. Many men say this porn look is their ideal. What does it often involve? Fake breasts, fake lips, fake hair extensions, fake tans, and lots of heavy makeup.
What women are often touted by male-targeted media as most sexy? Those with butt & boob implants, fake lips, and so much make-up & air-brushing they resemble mannequins and blow-up dolls, not human beings anymore.
As a woman, I have "spied" on men in all-male environments and overheard the tiniest things nitpicked about women, from a stray pimple to a touch of cellulite to crooked teeth to less than ample boobs - being a natural, flawed human does not seem to be accepted. This comes from the horses' mouths...
In short - men expect/desire UNNATURAL beauty standards which are UNATTAINABLE without some enhancements, but then seem to deride use of those enhancements while also criticizing the way a woman looks naturally if she doesn't use them. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
But do I think most or all men are like those men? No, but they are awfully loud, as loud as those who claim to prefer "all-natural". In observation, most men don't seem to go for either extreme with their actual partners.
Secondly.... not everything women do, including with their appearance, is to make themselves attractive to men or to anyone. It's a cliche to say, "I wear this because it makes ME feel happy!" & sometimes it is an excuse to deflect more insecure motivations, but there is some truth to it still. A lot of fashion & makeup choices can be about self-expression. They are fun & creative things to do. The process of applying makeup is fun. It's not about being pretty or attractive - but experimenting and creating looks which are interesting, unique, etc.
Personally, my only insecurity when it comes to being make-up-less is my uneven skin. I have some hormonal breakouts sometimes & minor acne scarring I prefer to cover in public. But the rest of it is just crafting a look that I personally enjoy creating & which matches my personality. When I am not in the mood, then I don't do it. I'm okay to go out with just some concealer over my zits.
I also will experiment with makeup & hairdos when home alone & no intention to go out. It's just a fun thing to do sometimes. There are occasions I am excited to go to because of the chance to groom/dress a certain way, because the process of doing so is fun. It very much is connected to personal enjoyment.
I've gotten many compliments over the year when I wear red lipstick. I love the way it looks, it makes me happy to take these beautiful, vibrant reds & apply them to ME. I feel like it mimics whatever internal passion and intensity I have, and I think people DO respond positively to that. If they don't, then they likely won't "get" me as a person anyway.
I just can't understand why women can't just go natural and not put anything on their faces. Men do not like women with clown looking faces. Just a lip gloss is good enough. This has to be a major insecurity that almost all women have to put something on before they go out.
Perhaps because we live in a patriarchal, misogynistic society that constantly criticizes women's appearances and sets idyllic, unrealistic standards, only for women to come across criticisms as the OP's, making it obvious we can't win, either way, and that's exactly how the system is set up?
I'm not here for your shaming, Boo. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Well first off...men give mixed messages here. I am making a generalization when I say "men", BTW, I am aware of that. Some men say they like a natural, no-fuss look. Meanwhile, the porn industry grows, an industry which features very unnatural looking women. Many men say this porn look is their ideal. What does it often involve? Fake breasts, fake lips, fake hair extensions, fake tans, and lots of heavy makeup.
I don't think you understand men at all, porn is about fantasy and it's not about reality. Porn look is what some men fantasizes about and it's not reality. Most guys do not like fake breasts and fake lips but some enjoy seeing those women with exaggerated body parts for fantasy.
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As a woman, I have "spied" on men in all-male environments and overheard the tiniest things nitpicked about women, from a stray pimple to a touch of cellulite to crooked teeth to less than ample boobs - being a natural, flawed human does not seem to be accepted. This comes from the horses' mouths...
That's called male-bonding, these are things that men poke fun about women. Just like women who poke fun about men.
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In short - men expect/desire UNNATURAL beauty standards which are UNATTAINABLE without some enhancements, but then seem to deride use of those enhancements while also criticizing the way a woman looks naturally if she doesn't use them. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
Again, I think you got it wrong, men's beauty standards are much lesser than the demands women have of men. How many guys expect their women to be a size 4-5 and have DD size chest. While most women are much more demanding of men, such as height, income levels, drive fancy cars, and most expects the men to pay for dinner on every date etc.
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Secondly.... not everything women do, including with their appearance, is to make themselves attractive to men or to anyone. It's a cliche to say, "I wear this because it makes ME feel happy!" & sometimes it is an excuse to deflect more insecure motivations, but there is some truth to it still. A lot of fashion & makeup choices can be about self-expression. They are fun & creative things to do. The process of applying makeup is fun. It's not about being pretty or attractive - but experimenting and creating looks which are interesting, unique, etc.
Women claims they put on make up to make them happy or confident. The effects is that it makes them beautiful and attracts attention which in effect is to make others notice. It's the same as guys who hook up their cars to get attention. The end result is the same to make others notice and increase one's self confidence.
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Personally, my only insecurity when it comes to being make-up-less is my uneven skin. I have some hormonal breakouts sometimes & minor acne scarring I prefer to cover in public. But the rest of it is just crafting a look that I personally enjoy creating & which matches my personality. When I am not in the mood, then I don't do it. I'm okay to go out with just some concealer over my zits.
I'll be honest and tell you women should do less with their face because if I go out with you on the 1st date and I don't see any acne because of your makeup, then one day you forgot to cover it or the acne breakout happens then it will get my attention because it's a big difference.
I went on dates with women who have acne issues, i can see rough looking acne skin covered by makeup. I won't make a big deal about it. What does bother me is on a date during the day time when the makeup doesn't work under bright sunny day that's when the acne issue takes center stage.
So it's best to let the acne go so I can get used to seeing it. Men are very good at see contrasts so it's best not to have such contrasting looks.
Most men are very understanding and forgiving of women when it comes to imperfections. If a man criticizes those imperfections then he's not worth your time.
Perhaps because we live in a patriarchal, misogynistic society that constantly criticizes women's appearances and sets idyllic, unrealistic standards, only for women to come across criticisms as the OP's, making it obvious we can't win, either way, and that's exactly how the system is set up?
I'm not here for your shaming, Boo. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Really? The same patriarchal, misogynistic society that finds it laughable when a woman hits a man but finds it demonic when a man hits a woman? The same society that lets most women completely dominate the men in the courtroom, be it for child support, alimony or unearned assets? This is 2014. If it was 1890, you'd have more of a reason to complain. I'd call this a misandrous society, but I wouldn't want to be told to "man up" or I'm a misogynist for thinking that way.
Why can't you win? You and other women have the choice not to participate in society's ridiculous standards. You're not held at gunpoint. Like others here, please stop acting like women are victims of horrible men all of the time. By the way, part of this was my earlier point that some people here (you know who you are) chose to ignore. Not surprised, though.
Oh, and before you or someone calls me "bitter", a "woman hater" or something of that nature, note that I don't agree with that original post. I couldn't care less whether a woman wore makeup or not.
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Again, I think you got it wrong, men's beauty standards are much lesser than the demands women have of men. How many guys expect their women to be a size 4-5 and have DD size chest. While most women are much more demanding of men, such as height, income levels, drive fancy cars, and most expects the men to pay for dinner on every date etc.
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Women claims they put on make up to make them happy or confident. The effects is that it makes them beautiful and attracts attention which in effect is to make others notice. It's the same as guys who hook up their cars to get attention. The end result is the same to make others notice and increase one's self confidence.
[quote=rs4 fan;33071446]Really? The same patriarchal, misogynistic society that finds it laughable when a woman hits a man but finds it demonic when a man hits a woman? The same society that lets most women completely dominate the men in the courtroom, be it for child support, alimony or unearned assets? This is 2014. If it was 1890, you'd have more of a reason to complain. I'd call this a misandrous society, but I wouldn't want to be told to "man up" or I'm a misogynist for thinking that way.
Why can't you win? You and other women have the choice not to participate in society's ridiculous standards. You're not held at gunpoint. Like others here, please stop acting like women are victims of horrible men all of the time. By the way, part of this was my earlier point that some people here (you know who you are) chose to ignore. Not surprised, though.
Oh, and before you or someone calls me "bitter", a "woman hater" or something of that nature, note that I don't agree with that original post. I couldn't care less whether a woman wore makeup or not.
Domestic violence charges go both ways. It just so happens most domestic violence is perpetrated by men against women.
Statistically, the great majority of men who actually bother to fight for custody of their child in court WIN custody. So your complaint says more about men's commitment to their children and less about our court system's supposed discrimination against fathers.
It's easy to say women are not beholden to society's standards, but that's where the double standards come in. The system is set up not to allow women to succeed. Wear make-up? You're a vain, superficial attention-seeker. Don't wear make-up? Let's all get together and hee-haw about how this is a "double-bagger" who could stand to "paint the barn" a little.
Also, you're adorable, but misandry isn't a thing. Thanks for the shower of male tears, though, this morning...
Men have a hard time believing that women wear makeup for men. It seems to be more of a female thing. They wear makeup because, if they don't, other women will make catty comments about them. Women train their daughters to always put their face on before going out in public. You can't blame that level of insanity on men. Women made that up all by themselves.
BS. My mother wore almost no makeup, and was horrified when I began wearing the full slate in high school. She tried to tell me that I should only wear makeup onstage (I was in theater) and that I didn't need any in everyday life, but bare-faced I was pale as all hell and also looked like I belonged in about 7th grade, so I wore it to look like a normal healthy high-school student.
Now I wear it to look like a normal, healthy adult woman.
Domestic violence charges go both ways. It just so happens most domestic violence is perpetrated by men against women.
Statistically, the great majority of men who actually bother to fight for custody of their child in court WIN custody. So your complaint says more about men's commitment to their children and less about our court system's supposed discrimination against fathers.
It's easy to say women are not beholden to society's standards, but that's where the double standards come in. The system is set up not to allow women to succeed. Wear make-up? You're a vain, superficial attention-seeker. Don't wear make-up? Let's all get together and hee-haw about how this is a "double-bagger" who could stand to "paint the barn" a little.
Also, you're adorable, but misandry isn't a thing. Thanks for the shower of male tears, though, this morning...
Thanks. The majority of your statement just proved my point and showed your agenda...especially the part in bolded which I predicted would be a similar response. If I said that to you, I'd be considered a misogynistic pig. Just because misandry isn't a mainstream term doesn't mean it's not a "real thing."
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While domestic charges goes both ways, I'm talking about the STIGMA. Men hurting women is considered FAR worse than the contrary. Watch a sitcom (I'd suggest King of Queens as a good example); you'll almost never see a man hitting a woman on there.
I can be wrong about the custody part. I admit that. However, I've personally have seen plenty of men destroyed in court, even when they did fight.
By the way, you do know that women also sets these standards, right? Read this entire thread and see how many women said that women, including themselves, NEEDED makeup. In fact, some have called other women ugly when they don't wear it.
If women don't like the standards, don't participate. Women once rightfully collectively fought for the right to vote and won. There was a time where it was "un-lady like" for women to wear pants; currently, nobody bats an eye when women wear pants. Now women have the chance to collectively say "*********r beauty standards, America", yet they're ok with it. Complaining but participating in it is asinine. That's like complaining about American industry being in the toilet, but only buying foreign products; you're part of the problem. Besides, unless someone is holding a gun to your face, you still have the choice not to succumb to society's stupid beauty standards no matter what people say.
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Where'd you get that from? Saudi women DO wear make up--and plenty of it.
I'm a misogynist for thinking that way.
