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Old 10-13-2014, 12:23 AM
 
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Interesting study on true blue eyes in the British Isles
Map of blue-eyed Britain: As scientists suggest colour is more attractive, study shows it is most common in Ireland and Scotland, but least likely in the south | Daily Mail Online
"All eyes in the country were once brown, but a study revealed they are now 48 per cent blue, 30 per cent green and 22 per cent brown."

 
Old 10-13-2014, 01:30 AM
 
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Interesting study on true blue eyes in the British Isles
Map of blue-eyed Britain: As scientists suggest colour is more attractive, study shows it is most common in Ireland and Scotland, but least likely in the south | Daily Mail Online
"All eyes in the country were once brown, but a study revealed they are now 48 per cent blue, 30 per cent green and 22 per cent brown."
They assume that blue eyes came about from an internal desire to make an individual attractive to the opposite sex, as a peacock does with its feathers. If this is so, every person should have the ability to change their own eye colour on their internal desires, that will change the physical aspect. They say blue eyes are generally considered more attractive. There are anomalies in the map of course. The Mersey/Wirral was a Viking stronghold with over half the males there having Viking DNA and hence lighter hair and eyes.

Was it only northern Europeans that wanted to make themselves more attractive? So developed lighter eyes? Somehow I do not buy this view.

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Old 10-13-2014, 01:33 AM
 
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DNA suggests differently. Even the base of English is Old Norse.
The bulk of the English are a mix of Germanic and Briton. Areas to the SW in Cornwall are close to 100% Briton, and areas along the east coast are close to 100% Germanic. Areas in between lean more towards the Dutch and Northern Germans genetically, which includes the central English plain. Walter Bodmer conducted one of the largest autosomal studies that concluded this.
 
Old 10-13-2014, 01:38 AM
 
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I know that much.
But part of Brits look like nothing I've seen in the rest of Northern Europe.
That doesn't mean however that this particular kind of look is "Mediterranean."
It's definitely not.
That is a point I have emphasised previously. DNA suggests that the people of Scandinavia, British Isles north western Germany and Holland are on the same DNA. The British Isles being isolated took on a sub-look of its own over time, but still northern European in looks.
 
Old 10-13-2014, 01:40 AM
 
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They assume that blue eyes came about from an internal desire to make an individual attractive to the opposite sex, as a peacock does with its feathers. If this is so, every person should have the ability to change their own eye colour on their internal desirers, that will change the physical aspect. They say blue eyes are generally considered more attractive. There are anomalies in the map of course. The Mersey/Wirral was a Viking stronghold with over half the males there having Viking DNA and hence lighter hair and eyes.

Was it only northern Europeans that wanted to make themselves more attractive? So developed lighter eyes? Somehow I do not buy this view.
I agree with you in a lot of ways. Blue eyes apparently arose in northern Turkey and the south Caucasus around 10,000 years ago or so, and yet light eyes are still today not the majority as it is in northern Europe there. Maybe northern Europe was more isolated and received less gene flow over the many thousands of years from distinctive brown eyed regions.
 
Old 10-13-2014, 01:52 AM
 
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How do they know blue eyes came from Turkey (the current Turks are not indigenous to the region coming in from the east)? This puzzles me. Skeletons do not reveal eye colour. Some preserved buried bodies in the UK have revealed hair colours, which tended to be fair/blond/red colouring when found.

If blues eyes emerged in Turkey the colour would radiate outwards not upwards. There is always a lot of guesswork in these analysis.

Scandinavia and the British Isles were isolated because of water and unattractive cool to cold climates. Even a small stretch of water can slow migration to near nothing. Many, many thousands of years ago ships were very primitive and sailing was very dangerous and slow.
 
Old 10-13-2014, 02:27 AM
 
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How do they know blue eyes came from Turkey (the current Turks are not indigenous to the region coming in from the east)? This puzzles me. Skeletons do not reveal eye colour. Some preserved buried bodies in the UK have revealed hair colours, which tended to be fair/blond/red colouring when found.

If blues eyes emerged in Turkey the colour would radiate outwards not upwards. There is always a lot of guesswork in these analysis.

Scandinavia and the British Isles were isolated because of water and unattractive cool to cold climates. Even a small stretch of water can slow migration to near nothing. Many, many thousands of years ago ships were very primitive and sailing was very dangerous and slow.
It's modern genetics.
Blue Eyes Originated 10,000 Years Ago in the Black Sea Region - Top US World News | Susanne Posel Daily Headlines and Research
The Mediterranean region was more open to continuous migrations after the fact as opposed to the British Isles and Scandinavia which was more isolated. Likely R1b and R1a carriers brought light eyes to the north, which converted the dark eyed natives light. Due to isolation they remained as such, as few Middle Eastern/North African migrants made their way to northern Europe after. This is contrasted to Turkey and the Middle East. Even southern European countries like Italy and Spain are majority R1b but are majority brown eyed because of later migrations from the Middle East and North Africa.
 
Old 10-13-2014, 02:54 AM
 
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These mutations are recent as Europe was colonized only a few thousand years ago, say mainstream scientists.
Through interbreeding, the brunette with blue eyes was evidenced about 25,000 years ago.
They are 23,000 years out somewhere.
 
Old 10-13-2014, 03:05 AM
 
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These mutations are recent as Europe was colonized only a few thousand years ago, say mainstream scientists.
Through interbreeding, the brunette with blue eyes was evidenced about 25,000 years ago.
They are 23,000 years out somewhere.
What exactly do you disagree with?
 
Old 10-13-2014, 05:11 AM
 
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What exactly do you disagree with?
Its accuracy. They pinpointed it the Black Sea. Most is educated guesswork.
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