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Old 10-09-2018, 09:26 PM
 
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According to Wiki, he is Avar.

But who cares, all Northern Caucasians look the same to me.
Lol, all the same, same Sunni Islam, extremely similar mannerisms, dress, history, same language family. There is more of a difference between a person from Texas and a person from NYC, than most of those N. Caucasus people. If N. Caucasus was one country, no one would give it even a mention except those viewing it from an academic perspective.
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Old 10-09-2018, 09:41 PM
 
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Lol, all the same, same Sunni Islam, extremely similar mannerisms, dress, history, same language family. There is more of a difference between a person from Texas and a person from NYC, than most of those N. Caucasus people. If N. Caucasus was one country, no one would give it even a mention except those viewing it from an academic perspective.

Yes.
I wouldn't know the difference, neither would I care.
To me the whole "Northern Caucasus" region is the area to avoid all together.
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Old 10-10-2018, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Russia
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What makes no sense? He is Chechen and that is what he is generally referred to as, him winning or not has nothing to do with it, it is a cultural thing that can be either insulting, or a compliment, or a non-biased statement of fact. Russian views on "who is Russian" are not the same as US views on "who is American".
He is Daghestani and Russian ("Rossiyanin", citizen of Russian Federation). Despite differences in culture, Dagestanis are part of the Russian Federation. Among them are the heroes of Russia.


https://youtu.be/YKD-ekh9vT4
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Old 10-10-2018, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Russia
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"Biggest gas station" - that's Putin's Russia ( add all the nuclear weapons and whatever else of weaponry is created there lately.)
"Biggest gas station" is a stupid propaganda tagline. Russia fully supplies itself with petrol. It is not economically profitable to import petrol, since one pipe is needed for oil, but more pipes are needed for a lot of petrol brands. Exploration, extraction and transportation of oil is a complex and dangerous process (if you do not believe, then watch the movie "Deepwater Horizon"). Why should Russia refuse to import oil and gas? Only fools and Ukrainians can refuse it.


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As I've said - if Russia would have had a normal government now, they'd be looking at Moscow for guidance, because Moscow is their cultural/spiritual center.
Not today's Kiev.
Russia before Putin:

https://youtu.be/zWi3hyvXacY

https://youtu.be/0dpnJ-BN2lw

Russia is now:

https://youtu.be/oCv7a5rdSyI

A strong army is an indicator of a normal functioning of a state. Normal functioning of a state can be only with normal government. Of course, Russia has a lot of problems. But main vector of development is correct.
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Old 10-10-2018, 03:05 PM
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A strong army Russia does not have, outside of nukes and a few prototype weapons. Being proud of bombing civilian areas held by Syrian opponents of their dictator is about as good as it will get for Russia.
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Old 10-10-2018, 03:24 PM
 
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A strong army Russia does not have, outside of nukes and a few prototype weapons. Being proud of bombing civilian areas held by Syrian opponents of their dictator is about as good as it will get for Russia.

Nice try. But no.
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Old 10-10-2018, 05:36 PM
 
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A strong army Russia does not have, outside of nukes and a few prototype weapons. Being proud of bombing civilian areas held by Syrian opponents of their dictator is about as good as it will get for Russia.
Anyonec who ever studied military matters will disagree with you. When it comes to defense and keeping the peace in it's neighborhood Russia has an outstanding army. It's not just nukes either. Russia has options. As I said before, the Dniepre and points beyond in 3 weeks.

Keep that in mind.
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:20 PM
DKM
 
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Nope sorry! The declining state cannot be masked by military parades and made for TV only weapons. Putin will watch the rest of his imperial project fall apart when his churches in Ukraine turn over to new masters in the coming weeks. Not a thing he can do about it... except blame the west. Russki mir started in the 1600s and Putin will finally finish it off. It’s terribly unfortunate that Putin’s actions have provoked such a deep rift between nations that used to get along.

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Old 10-10-2018, 09:52 PM
 
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"Biggest gas station" is a stupid propaganda tagline. Russia fully supplies itself with petrol. It is not economically profitable to import petrol, since one pipe is needed for oil, but more pipes are needed for a lot of petrol brands. Exploration, extraction and transportation of oil is a complex and dangerous process (if you do not believe, then watch the movie "Deepwater Horizon"). Why should Russia refuse to import oil and gas? Only fools and Ukrainians can refuse it.
I didn't say that Russia shouldn't export oil/gas - by all means. But when it's the MAIN source of export ( as in 62% of it) in a developed country with more academic graduates than in any other country of Europe - there is something clearly WRONG with the picture.


So?
Russia during Lenin's times

Russia during Stalin's times

Stage one and stage two - that's all to it.
To make the long story short - Putin is a logical continuation of Yeltsin, as much as Stalin is a logical continuation of Lenin.

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A strong army is an indicator of a normal functioning of a state. Normal functioning of a state can be only with normal government. Of course, Russia has a lot of problems. But main vector of development is correct.
Why indeed, when the country has a lot of breakthroughs in many technological areas - electronics, engineering, medical field, communications - you name it, and army benefits along with all these areas - then yes, a strong army is an indicator of a normal functioning state.
But when all the technological breakthroughs are concentrated in the modern weaponry area, that's a troubling sign. And the trouble comes from the fact, that the economic path that Putin chose, proved to be faulty.
In any *normal* country such blunter would have led to the dismissal of the government, but in Russia's case, it will only lead to an increased armament of the same government for understandable reasons.
But what mistake did he make you will ask me.
The answer is that not only Putin didn't dismantle right away the "privatization" orchestrated by American advisers, but in fact he decided to keep Yeltsin's course of the "merger of Russian and Western economies."
He admitted it himself during one of those "Direct Line" events, when asked how he "perceives the oligarchs investments in foreign economies." He answered that it was basically a good thing, because according to his vision, the foreigners will be investing in Russian economy mutually too, which eventually would build it up/improve it.
Magnitsky act ( as much as takeover of Crimea) proved however that it was clearly not a case. ( Not that I put these two events in the equal category, but both were a good indicator that Putin's economic plan for development of Russia was faulty.
Of course he will never admit it, he will turn 180 instead and will start militarizing the country cursing the West. Which, as I've said, was all quite predictable, but all this doesn't make Russian government *normal,* or at least what I refer to as "normal," implying the Russian understanding of this terminology.

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Old 10-10-2018, 10:04 PM
 
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A strong army Russia does not have, outside of nukes and a few prototype weapons. Being proud of bombing civilian areas held by Syrian opponents of their dictator is about as good as it will get for Russia.
Russia has a strong army, that is why NATO still hypes itself up and one, if not the main budget justification for the US defense budget.

They were bombing terrorist held areas, and it obviously was the correct targets as Assad's regime has asserted more and more control over Syria. Tell the terrorists not to hide with civilians next time.
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