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Old 04-02-2018, 05:34 PM
 
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That is just some hacks opinion from what I understand. I don't see the US pulling out of Syria soon if at all. We're there to cause trouble and waste money and we excell at that.
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Old 04-02-2018, 06:24 PM
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Turkey is taking up positions in Idlib to stop the Russian bombing there so lines are solidifying to say the least. I doubt the US is going to give up the NE section, which does hold oil but its a small amount. We took the NE section with our proxies to beat back ISIS when they had the Kurds on the ropes in Kobane. Most of the line moving is finished but there certainly are areas still contested not behind set lines. Russia has shown no willingness to fight American or Turkish proxies when they are backed directly by either of us. You may end up with Syria under control of the 3 countries and our proxies, and then (hopefully) a settlement.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:28 PM
 
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That is just some hacks opinion from what I understand. I don't see the US pulling out of Syria soon if at all. We're there to cause trouble and waste money and we excell at that.
He and Charles Lister of the NYT are well known for being propagandists for military intervention in Syria.

Trump wants money from the Saudis. It was a demand made when he recemtly visited the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. Turkish and US proxies are facing off against each other in Idlib, Aleppo, and Manbij. Al Qaeda and related jihadists will be destroyed in Idlib by Syria, Russia, and Turkey. A major rebel group Jaish al-Islam has defected from the Saudis and departed E. Ghouta to join the fight in Idlib against the Al Qaeda groups. Eventually, attention will turn to NE Syria to get rid of the foreign presence. They're surrounded by hostile governments on all four sides.
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Old 04-02-2018, 10:18 PM
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Well i guess facts can be made up on the spot around here. Its good to see how Russia is presenting them, to see how they will blame their failures in the region (I doubt their goal has been accomplished).
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Old 04-03-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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The lesson from the Rogin article is that propagandists will eventually slip up and reveal the truth. It is often the case with the Washington Post and New York Times foreign policy articles. Embedded in the body of the articles are usually facts that mitigate or contradict the politically slanted headlines and lead paragraphs. This time, in response to the Trump speech, he went overboard in the story headline and exposed US foreign policy in the Middle East, not that most informed people didn't already know.
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Old 04-03-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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The lesson from the Rogin article is that propagandists will eventually slip up and reveal the truth. It is often the case with the Washington Post and New York Times foreign policy articles. Embedded in the body of the articles are usually facts that mitigate or contradict the politically slanted headlines and lead paragraphs. This time, in response to the Trump speech, he went overboard in the story headline and exposed US foreign policy in the Middle East, not that most informed people didn't already know.
Was the "liberation of Libya" from the "ruthless dictator Muammar Gaddafi" part of this policy by any chance, Ichoro?
Because if it was, here is the New Democratic Libya, as far as I can tell

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...73&oe=5B3759E8

They progressed to selling slaves by lots now, you see, instead of selling them individually. That's a great improvement comparably to those horrid times under the ruthless dictator, wouldn't you agree?


Libyan Slave Trade: Here's What You Need to Know | Time
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Old 04-03-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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You have to read the body of the article to get the point.

The move wasn't successful. Most countries only removed one diplomatic staff member as a symbolic gesture. There are apparently conciliatory moves on the part of the US-UK behind the scenes according to the statement by the US ambassador.
....Portugal, for example, kicked out one diplomat for.....couple of days!!! LOL What a joke....
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Old 04-03-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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Turkey is taking up positions in Idlib to stop the Russian bombing there so lines are solidifying to say the least. I doubt the US is going to give up the NE section, which does hold oil but its a small amount. We took the NE section with our proxies to beat back ISIS when they had the Kurds on the ropes in Kobane. Most of the line moving is finished but there certainly are areas still contested not behind set lines. Russia has shown no willingness to fight American or Turkish proxies when they are backed directly by either of us. You may end up with Syria under control of the 3 countries and our proxies, and then (hopefully) a settlement.

Putin is playing buddy buddy with Erdogan (today is in an official visit and later Rouhani will join the two).....pulling Turkey a little bit away from the western orbit is good strategy.

Obviously nobody want to engage the "big boys" in the field directly.
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Old 04-03-2018, 12:35 PM
 
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In the meantime, the Skripal narrative is falling apart......

Omelette time for the British government....


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8286761.html
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Old 04-03-2018, 01:02 PM
 
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In the meantime, the Skripal narrative is falling apart......

Omelette time for the British government....


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8286761.html
The Skripal poisoning claim was advanced by the same British military doctor who was behind the false accusations of Sarin gas attack in Khan Shaykuhn, Syria last April. Having three chemical attacks recently foiled in E. Ghouta, the next best thing would've been to stage a false flag incident inside the UK.

One could also tell from the 13 or 14 questions posed by the Russians to the May government. May could not get the UK intelligence agencies to put their butts on the line behind the Novichok claim in much the same way that the CIA used the Italian intelligence service to drum up the phony Niger yellowcake story so as to shield their reputation. So the lie was farmed out to France.

The British may now be trying to back away from the story as part of the conciliatory process between the West and Russia.

Putin doesn't want get overextended in Syria. He wants to avoid a confrontation. Assad wants to regain all the territory as Turkey, US, and Israel all eye lucrative oil and gas reserves within Syria. It is the same in the rest of the world. Much of the remaining free reserves are within countries that are subject to conflict by the colonial powers.
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