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Is this the discuss all things America Thread? As for Detroit Sadly, those areas the video was made is basically totally abandoned. Even the city did. One day it may renew after it is all leveled. Seems it is the US it is about and Political Divide we hope there is no Russian accusing as in the last election afterward on social media to stir our divisions.
This is an interesting trend, but in my understanding, this can aggravate the stratification of society (an increasing number of people will live on social benefits).
Not really Maxim.
Stratification - that's what ALREADY exists independently from the social security net, the kind MWR was talking about.
Social stratification - it's what you see in the previous video, VS DKM bragging about his salary and what comes with it in America.
OR the kind of life you see on Rubloyvka Road in Moscow, VS say something like this in Russia; ( because back in the 90ies American model was sold ( and happily bought in Russia,) as the "most successful" one, out of all other versions of capitalism.
Why other developed capitalist countries avoid this model - you can ask Europeans/Canadians here yourself.
As far as your potential concern goes - i.e. that if you put welfare benefits in place, then a big number of people will prefer to not to work at all, if I understand you correctly...)
then I have to share few different thoughts/observations on this one.
Number one - if you take Europeans ( I underline - strictly Europeans in this case,) then normally, if you keep someone on bare minimum ( welfare,) this pretty much keeps them "locked up," in terms of their abilities to "better" their lives, to go out, to date, to buy things, to travel and so on ( depending on their personal interests.)
So in THIS situation, if you offer person a job that visibly improves his/her financial and social status, you obviously have less people willing to live on "bare minimum." ( Unless of course some people are not interested in "improving" anything, they are unmotivated, and normally you probably wouldn't even WANT these people to work, because if unmotivated, they'll do crappy job anyway. So you are better off keeping them home "safe and sound" and well-fed. ( Let's not talk here about the fire-rockets of Russian kind, that will lock up at home, designing something extraordinary in-between drinking, while living happily on bare minimum. That's a whole different story.))) )
Now when we are talking about people of color coming to the first world countries, that's already a different scenario all together.
Some of them, well-educated, will obviously not be interested in welfare, and MOST LIKELY they'll prefer to move to US/Canada than to stay in Europe ( I won't elaborate "why" here, since I don't want to digress. Particularly that this type of people is not even in question here, but the "refugee"/general immigration type. Now to THEM, life in the first world countries is already a great improvement even if they live on a welfare, comparably to the places they came from.
So THEY would be less motivated to get off of it for a number of reasons, including the one, that if their wives/girl-friends will try to nag them with demands to improve THEIR living conditions, their *significant others* will tell them to shut up or else.
So in this case scenario I can understand your potential concern.
PARTICULARLY if to take in consideration that people of color OVERALL are capable of being more happy with less material goods than their European counterparts. And this probably goes even more to women than men.
Is this the discuss all things America Thread? As for Detroit Sadly, those areas the video was made is basically totally abandoned. Even the city did. One day it may renew after it is all leveled. Seems it is the US it is about and Political Divide we hope there is no Russian accusing as in the last election afterward on social media to stir our divisions.
This is Thread for discussing all things. All things matter.
Russia has a similar political model at present. It is very important for Russians to understand whether Russians can face similar problems in Russia and why.
Well no, not really, but it's impossible to skip this subject all together, since the model of great stratification as the most "successful one," was sold to Russians back in the 90ies by American Democrats. ( It happened on Clinton's watch. American economists were literally sitting in Kremlin issuing orders. ( Yeltsin was signing them as presidential decrees.)
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As for Detroit Sadly, those areas the video was made is basically totally abandoned. Even the city did.One day it may renew after it is all leveled.
Well sorry I just used the first video that came my way, so it might be not the best example, but this one will show plenty of other places that will bring my point across, when it comes to Black ghettos.
Seems it is the US it is about and Political Divide we hope there is no Russian accusing as in the last election afterward on social media to stir our divisions.
To be honest, I don't think that Russians ( AS A WHOLE GROUP) even understand what this division is really all about.
They've been so duped by American Democrats thirty years ago, who managed to pass "neo-liberalism" for "liberalism" in post-Soviet Russia, that the political field is very skewed there until today, and basic concepts of "right" and left" are not perceived in the same manner as in the West.
And truth to be told, most Russians probably can't even tell the difference between Republicans and Democrats in economic sense of it, because of what happened in the 90ies.
Now how the Russian GOVERNMENT goes about it all ( which is I'm sure is much more shrewd and discerning,) - that I can only guess.
But there are no Russian government reps on this board - of that I am sure, so you can sleep well.
This is Thread for discussing all things. All things matter.
Russia has a similar political model at present. It is very important for Russians to understand whether Russians can face similar problems in Russia and why.
Well no, not really, but it's impossible to skip this subject all together, since the model of great stratification as the most "successful one," was sold to Russians back in the 90ies by American Democrats. ( It happened on Clinton's watch. American economists were literally sitting in Kremlin issuing orders. ( Yeltsin was signing them as presidential decrees.)
Well sorry I just used the first video that came my way, so it might be not the best example, but this one will show plenty of other places that will bring my point across, when it comes to Black ghettos.
To be honest, I don't think that Russians ( AS A WHOLE GROUP) even understand what this division is really all about.
They've been so duped by American Democrats thirty years ago, who managed to pass "neo-liberalism" for "liberalism" in post-Soviet Russia, that the political field is very skewed there until today, and basic concepts of "right" and left" are not perceived in the same manner as in the West.
And truth to be told, most Russians probably can't even tell the difference between Republicans and Democrats in economic sense of it, because of what happened in the 90ies.
Now how the Russian GOVERNMENT goes about it all ( which is I'm sure is much more shrewd and discerning,) - that I can only guess.
But there are no Russian government reps on this board - of that I am sure, so you can sleep well.
Something to keep in mind is that the democrats are not a true "left" party, of course the concept is pretty vague but in general the "left" is always the oppositional party, and in a capitalist society that oppositional force is the working class who develop socialistic ideologies, whereas the "right" is the party that represents those who are in power which in this case would be the business class (historically under feudal system the business class was on the left as they were the opposition against the nobility who were on the right). So both democrats and republicans represent the business class making them both "right" parties, what differentiates them is that democrats represent international business class who have a more liberal out view since they want open borders to expand their business, whereas the republicans represent domestic business who have more conservative/reactionary outlook and want to protect their business from international encroachment. The US doesn't have a true major left party, Bernie Sanders tried but the democrats quickly shut him down as he endangered the interests of the international business class. This video does a pretty good explanation.
This is an interesting trend, but in my understanding, this can aggravate the stratification of society (an increasing number of people will live on social benefits).
To elaborate on this further, Americans can be viewed as fairly unruly. The reason I say that is because the country fought a war of independence against the British at the time. This is in contrast to countries like Canada and Australia who gradually gained their independence, but do so without a revolution. Those nations are still part of the British Commonwealth, while the US is not.
Americans still take great pride in their revolution and to this day may still embrace that pioneer spirit that led the country towards it's westward expansion. They believe in the individual over the collective (more so those on the right these days), but it's an important facet of America.
That's also why there's a pretty sharp contrast between the populist alt-right of Europe vs the one found in the US, even though they have expressed solidarity towards one another. Europeans on the right still value universal healthcare and other socialist policies. The right in the US is about individual liberty and getting the federal government to not intrude on local matters at a state and county level. Many on the right in the States think that any form of socialized program is akin to communism. That's why you get libertarian ideology in the US, but less so in Europe, where a strong government presence is still valued.
All of these are reasons why Americans are harder to govern then other Westerners. There will always be a lot of opposition coming from one side. It's less nuanced then in Europe where the left and right still find kinship on certain issues, as opposed to being diametrically opposed to one another.
Now the reason why I suggested that the US is gradually moving towards the left, if ever so slightly, is because of the changing demographics and economic landscape over the past 20-30 years, though the roots go back way further. The income gap between the top percentile and the bottom 20 has grown tremendously as of late. Many young Americans, who grew up in underprivileged families are looking at countries in Western Europe and even Canada as a model to emulate.
On a side note, as grega pointed out, there's no real left wing party in mainstream American politics. Democrats are only slightly to the left of Republicans and would be better described as center-right. Sanders would still be labelled a centrist in Europe, though he's more left oriented than most in his party.
Something to keep in mind is that the democrats are not a true "left" party, of course the concept is pretty vague but in general the "left" is always the oppositional party, and in a capitalist society that oppositional force is the working class who develop socialistic ideologies, whereas the "right" is the party that represents those who are in power which in this case would be the business class (historically under feudal system the business class was on the left as they were the opposition against the nobility who were on the right). So both democrats and republicans represent the business class making them both "right" parties, what differentiates them is that democrats represent international business class who have a more liberal out view since they want open borders to expand their business, whereas the republicans represent domestic business who have more conservative/reactionary outlook and want to protect their business from international encroachment. The US doesn't have a true major left party, Bernie Sanders tried but the democrats quickly shut him down as he endangered the interests of the international business class. This video does a pretty good explanation.
Ughh Grega..
After just 10 minutes into the suggested video I couldn't take it any longer. With all this "actual garbage," "theorists," and "Let me show you how it should be done instead" - this reminded me of my son few years ago, who ( trying to look as important as it gets,) was pushing his own theories, and if I'd try to point at their flaws, then I was the one who "knew nothing."
Thanks lord this stage is over, and as with him, I can see where this yet another "genius" is going wrong with his theories from the get-go.
Obviously, his knowledge of European history is very weak, and that's something you HAVE to know well, in order to proceed with all these "right" and "left" theories.
So let me correct him right away (with his rejection of the "linear theory,)" and you ( while we are at that.)
To begin with - there was no "business class" during Feudal times.
Feudal times were all about lords, vassals and peasantry - i.e. people that were born monarchs and aristocrats, and people who were not, and thus were at disposal to those who were above them.
So if you take it as a starting point - this whole idea that monarch receives his power straight from God, and thus can rule over others as he/she pleases, ( the concept of *privilege* that Americans seem to not to grasp in the Politics forum )
OK, so this is the starting "ultra-right" point on a horizontal scale, representing strictly "ideology" ( i.e. the ideas, beliefs.)
When the bourgeoisie shows up in the picture (that's basically your "business class,") and it shows up already at the dawn of capitalist social formation ( that follows Feudalism) - these people of not necessarily aristocratic background ( but rather successful merchants and craftsmen,) argue the point that THEY want to have economic power, since they have capital now, even though they don't have noble origin.
So guess what? They are still RIGHT on the horizontal scale, but not as "ultra right" as the monarchists ( i.e. people that still defend the exclusive rights of monarchs and aristocracy to rule, since THEIR such rights ( supposedly) come directly from god himself.
Now the LEFT ideas meanwhile are coming from the peasant revolts ( that start all the way back at feudal times) but not clearly politically shaped YET.
The political ideas of the "left" start shaping up only with development of capitalism, and they can be anything from "radical left" (as in Germany and Russia back then,) to "moderately left" - the way they currently exist in certain developed capitalist societies.
So once we are clear on this starting point, only THEN we can proceed to "political field" of the US, with all its specialties, in order to untangle the knot who/what is "right" there and who/what is "left."
All while keeping in mind the "linear model" of POLITICAL horizontal scale, yet adding to it the vertical line of "economic scale," since this is essential, in order to have better understanding why some "left forces" come across ( mistakenly) as the "right" ones, and vice versa.
This is Thread for discussing all things. All things matter.
Russia has a similar political model at present. It is very important for Russians to understand whether Russians can face similar problems in Russia and why.
P.S. Maxim, now when I read this again - it's ECONOMIC, not political.
Russia has similar economic model, POLITICAL model of Russia is still different.
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