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I’ve only encountered a few charging stops that truly have nothing at all around them. Most superchargers are colocated with some sort of shopping, often times a gas station in fact.
I’m driving to Wisconsin in March. That will be a new route for me. Can’t wait to explore.
In the news here is Tesla is going to build a 30 charging station with a 24 hour restaurant with 2 movie screens in Hollywood.
In the news here is Tesla is going to build a 30 charging station with a 24 hour restaurant with 2 movie screens in Hollywood.
2 movie screens? LOL - of course that won't become standard, it's a nod to Hollywood, but I like that spirit. From what I have read and seen in videos, charging stations in Scandanavia are not just chargers in a parking lot, they often have purpose built facilities to provide food, restrooms and even a lounge to pass the time. That obviously costs a good deal more and I don't know where that money is coming from, but it looks nice.
Toyota is developing a battery with 750 mile range and 10 minute full recharge. Live in SE Louisiana no way would I consider a electric vehicle at the present time. When a real car company figures it out I'll be all in till then forget about it
Toyota is developing a battery with 750 mile range and 10 minute full recharge. Live in SE Louisiana no way would I consider a electric vehicle at the present time. When a real car company figures it out I'll be all in till then forget about it
Cold-weather problems in recent days in much of the U.S. give me lots of pause. Do I really want a vehicle suitable only for mild weather?
Looks like most of the cold weather problems were in Chicago, as a particular Tesla station that was down (which isn't normal), with mostly Uber drivers who had issues. Seems that the rest of the country is fine and Canada, too. Norway and Sweden seem to have no problems in the middle of winter.
There is no comparison between Norway & Sweden over the US and Canada. You are talking about two very small countries that have already been electrified for the use of EVs. The US and Canada are very large, something that makes it quite difficult to electrify great distances. Not only that, but the grounds of Northern Canada and Alaska have permafrost. It running power lines over grounds that have permafrost creates a lot of problems. Now, in the lower US states and Canada's cities close to the US, electrification will probably take place in the near future.
That said, the cold front not only affected Chicago, but a lot of places the front when through, mostly because drivers were not prepared. Just think about this: Floridians by the costal areas receive plenty of warnings about upcoming storms, and prepare for it ahead of time. The ones who don't prepare, for example, the ones who decided to park and leave their cars in the flood zones-were caught with their pants down. Canadians are already used to extreme cold fronts, much like Alaskans. The temperature around Fairbanks, Alaska dropped to -42 degrees early this morning, but we are used to such. We are also accustomed to the great number of ground tremors that take place all the time. But we aren't prepared for an extremely hot desert-like temperature fronts moving through the interior, because this is unusual.
Another example: what do you think happens when it gets very cold and the snow turns to ice on the Texan and other Southern states' roads? Things like that happens every now and then, so one can say that they are somewhat "unusual." Still, there are a great number of car pileups on the roads. Most drivers probably don't have winter tires on their vehicles since those conditions seldom happen. EV driving is a new thing for a lot of people. The Chicago experience will happen again to those who didn't learn from it.
There is no comparison between Norway & Sweden over the US and Canada. You are talking about two very small countries that have already been electrified for the use of EVs. The US and Canada are very large, something that makes it quite difficult to electrify great distances. Not only that, but the grounds of Northern Canada and Alaska have permafrost. It running power lines over grounds that have permafrost creates a lot of problems. Now, in the lower US states and Canada's cities close to the US, electrification will probably take place in the near future.
That said, the cold front not only affected Chicago, but a lot of places the front when through, mostly because drivers were not prepared. Just think about this: Floridians by the costal areas receive plenty of warnings about upcoming storms, and prepare for it ahead of time. The ones who don't prepare, for example, the ones who decided to park and leave their cars in the flood zones-were caught with their pants down. Canadians are already used to extreme cold fronts, much like Alaskans. The temperature around Fairbanks, Alaska dropped to -42 degrees early this morning, but we are used to such. We are also accustomed to the great number of ground tremors that take place all the time. But we aren't prepared for an extremely hot desert-like temperature fronts moving through the interior, because this is unusual.
Another example: what do you think happens when it gets very cold and the snow turns to ice on the Texan and other Southern states' roads? Things like that happens every now and then, so one can say that they are somewhat "unusual." Still, there are a great number of car pileups on the roads. Most drivers probably don't have winter tires on their vehicles since those conditions seldom happen. EV driving is a new thing for a lot of people. The Chicago experience will happen again to those who didn't learn from it.
We can generally ignore most of Alaska and Northern Canada in regards to electrification and EVs for a good long while before we hit market saturation in the rest of the US and Canada. I think the Alaskan panhandle will probably see relatively rapid adoption, but probably not the rest for a good while.
Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland are majority new EV market share and together are close to the size of the US east of the Mississippi River, so it's a fairly large contiguous area and the more northerly and interior parts, especially in Finland, have generally harsher winters than just about any part of the US east of the Mississippi. That larger area doesn't really have issues with cold weather, so it's not really a cold weather issue nor is it a geographic distance issue since Chicago and the general Chicagoland isn't that large of an area compared to these countries. Definitely agreed that people need to learn from this winter and that changes need to be made with the US. One of the most prominent ongoing changes is simply the consolidation of charging standard so that people then are more likely to have multiple options for charging. The steadily increasing median charging speed and range of EVs is also another ongoing one that would likely help. And, of course, simply having more chargers available is helpful.
Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland are majority new EV market share and together are close to the size of the US east of the Mississippi River, so it's a fairly large contiguous area and the more northerly and interior parts, especially in Finland, have generally harsher winters than just about any part of the US east of the Mississippi. That larger area doesn't really have issues with cold weather, so it's not really a cold weather issue nor is it a geographic distance issue since Chicago and the general Chicagoland isn't that large of an area compared to these countries.
New York north of Albany, most of Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, the Berkshires, northern Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota?
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Definitely agreed that people need to learn from this winter and that changes need to be made with the US. One of the most prominent ongoing changes is simply the consolidation of charging standard so that people then are more likely to have multiple options for charging. The steadily increasing median charging speed and range of EVs is also another ongoing one that would likely help. And, of course, simply having more chargers available is helpful.
In other words move or go into lockdown for a few months? Reality is not Robert Frost poems or Jack London short stories.
New York north of Albany, most of Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, the Berkshires, northern Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota?
In other words move or go into lockdown for a few months? Reality is not Robert Frost poems or Jack London short stories.
It seems like you didn't actually follow what was being said--the discussion was about issues with EVs charging in colder weather and it was in comparison to the extremes within Scandinavia where there is high elevation and it goes above the Arctic Circle. Those areas have far greater EV adoption rates than what you're referencing and do not have the kind of charging issues being discussed here. Those places east of the Mississippi in the US also does NOT get more extreme winters than the coldest parts of Scandinavia do.
Not sure what your lockdown is in reference to. People do generally spend more time indoors in Scandinavia during winter than summer, and they also do so here in New York. Some people also "snowbird" where they will spend some part of winter in warmer parts of the world. However, I wouldn't call that a lockdown nor is that something specific to EVs in any way.
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