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Originally Posted by mental_complex
Lmao.. Is this the GOP's October Surprise?
We just gave Wall St. 700 Billion dollars. Over the last 8 years we have seen the biggest redistribution of wealth in American history from the Middle Class to the top 2 percent.
Do actually think the middle class is going to care about those comments when Obama's plan put more money in the pockets of the Middle Class?
That's not redistribution though. That's free market. Your point about the Wall Street bailout is correct. However, the top 2 percent EARNED the money. Again, the inference is that it is stolen: however, the top 2 percent of our population goes to work, just like everyone else, and for the most part, earn every penny.
The Obama/Biden plan to take money from these people, however, and to give it to someone else in the form of tax credits, is, by and large, welfare.
With the exception of the News Corporation and a few others, the media is so deep in bed with Obama they'll never give this the coverage and debate it deserves.
Exactly. They are loving the 1,500 thread count sheets!!!
Zero's "people" have alread come out saying that we are too dumb to understand the brilliance of the Golden Child and what he said in this audio clip. They are saying that he is ACTUALLY being ultra conservative in this rarefied discussion of the constitution.
That's not redistribution though. That's free market. Your point about the Wall Street bailout is correct. However, the top 2 percent EARNED the money. Again, it was stolen, the top 2 percent of our population goes to work, just like everyone else, and for the most part, earn every penny.
The Obama/Biden plan to take money from these people, however, and to give it to someone else in the form of tax credits, is, by and large, welfare.
Here's his full quote in context. Not the edited audio designed to confuse.
Nothing new here.
"You know if you look at the victories and the failures of the Civil Rights movement and its litigation strategy in the Court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples so that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order as long as I could pay for it I would be okay.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical, it didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and the Warren Court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties says what the states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf and that hasn't shifted.
And one of the I think the tragedies of the Civil Rights movement was because the Civil Rights movement became so court focused I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change and in some ways we still suffer from that."
Zero's "people" have alread come out saying that we are too dumb to understand the brilliance of the Golden Child and what he said in this audio clip. They are saying that he is ACTUALLY being ultra conservative in this rarefied discussion of the constitution.
GEORGE ORWELL MUST BE ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE!
Hey, it is change you can believe in, right?
Yea, I read that. They have a Harvard Professor, who is advising Obama, trying to weasel out of that.
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"What the critics are missing is that the term 'redistribution' didn’t mean in the Constitutional context equalized wealth or anything like that. It meant some positive rights, most prominently the right to education, and also the right to a lawyer," Sunstein said. "What he’s saying – this is the irony of it – he’s basically taking the side of the conservatives then and now against the liberals." McCain slams Obama on 'redistribution of wealth' - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com
Here's his full quote in context. Not the edited audio designed to confuse.
Nothing new or controversial here. He said the civil rights movement focused too much on change via the courts at the expense of change via their own making by way of politcal and community organizing....[YAWN]
"You know if you look at the victories and the failures of the Civil Rights movement and its litigation strategy in the Court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples so that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order as long as I could pay for it I would be okay.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical, it didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and the Warren Court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties says what the states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf and that hasn't shifted.
And one of the I think the tragedies of the Civil Rights movement was because the Civil Rights movement became so court focused I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change and in some ways we still suffer from that."
What I understood him to say is that the changes desired got lost in the civil rights movement and that the supreme court wasn't radical enough to address them; that the court was uncomfortable tackling all the issues connected with redistribution of wealth and viewed it (then) as an administrative task.
It's clear, with the direction Obama has taken, that he now believes the courts can be the vehicle to accomplish the changes he wants. If he wins, he'll appoint his judges to do just that.
If you think now that the Constitution has been tampered with, just wait. We won't hardly recognize it after they get through with it.
Reparations? How does he plan to handle all the legal immigrants? Will they be paying reparations also? What for? I'm sure most of them are middle class, so the "wealth" of the middle class will also be redistributed. I knew he was going to get all of us, sooner or later.
Last edited by swbtoo; 10-27-2008 at 12:41 PM..
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