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Old 10-16-2008, 03:13 PM
 
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I think Joe the Plumber will be famous for Obama not becoming the next president (weel of course Obama sunk him self, but everybody will remember Joe)

Is this a coinsidence that this guys name is Joe...like Joe Biden? How funny......!

Where did they move all the Joe the Plumber posts too?
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:14 PM
 
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Obama lets his socialist talk slip occasionally. If he is elected, get used to regular socialist garbage, and a liberal media happily reporting it.
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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That tax talk stuff fires up the conservatives. Do you honestly believe a small business owner who earns over 250K would care if he paid 900- 1500 dollars extra in taxes?
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Joe the Plumber has already been shown to not work...Lets show an ad that will not work...
How do you determine that? The gallup poll is 2/6/6 from 11. Rasmussen is 4 from 8. Others are close. What has caused it?
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:17 PM
 
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No one's calling Joe names, but you must understand that he is NOT a licensed plumber nor does he have plumbing business. This was all made up BS. And in his divorce trial not too long ago he was earning $40,000 per year, the average salary in Toledo, Ohio.

In fact, if Joe was really earning a PROFIT of $250,000, he would be doing better than 95% (estimated) people in Toledo, OH and he could AFFORD to pay a bit more in taxes so that those families who are STRUGGLING can use a little more to pay for their gas and food. God forbid a working American family wants to eat!
1) Joe is not licensed because he is working under a licensed contractor and doesn't need one at the moment.

2) Joe has discussed with the owner of the business as taking it over in the future.

What people are doing is the same crap they pulled with Palin. They pick and twist and suggest until they get an outcome they can push off and proclaim false. Much like you are doing right now. You are building a straw man of facts that are irrelevant to the question and issue in order to discredit him so you can all go back to patting yourself on the back about how right you are and how this plan is so perfect.

There are countless posts in here from people who have experienced, are, or work with those small businesses that DO make that much and they by no means are "big business".

You attempt to attack, discredit and slander (as well as some people being snide with rather personal attacks on character) so that you don't have to answer to the real issue which is that the plan Obama has is flawed, seriously flawed, and extremely naive to what real people experience.

So like I said, keep attacking, keep slandering, keep doing it. All you do is show the "real" America how disgusting this party is. How "elitist" and "self-serving" it is, how so very hypocritical it is.
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Joe the Plumber doesn't believe in paying his taxes...why should anybody listen to a tax cheat who's related to Charles Keating?

Joe the Plumber owes Ohio back taxes: The Swamp
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Prescott Valley,az summer/east valley Az winter
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Joe the plumber is a true~ the answer is a paste on!

saw someone ask that question at a campaign rally and answer was different!

unless there have been numerous rallies where someone saying he was Joe and wanted to know how Obamas tax policy would affect him
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:21 PM
 
Location: S.Florida
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Luiso; welcome to the right side.

Lol I don't like Mccain (don't dislike him either) but by far he is the lesser of the evils atleast Mccain lives in reality not lala land.

Plus way Palin has been treated by hypocrite media has enraged me . She has done MORE than Obama as Mayor than Gvnr .
Obama who I once supported has gotten one free pass after another and I see him as a hypocrite .

I vote next week as can vote early in my area and it will be for Mccain not the spin master empty suit Obama.
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:31 PM
 
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There will never be a perfect candidate since we are all different. But you have to choose from what is available and although I don't agree on every subject with McCain/Palin, I know I can trust them with their experience and judgment, which Obama has a huge lack off and Biden got only 9000 votes in his whole life and had to withdraw from the presidential race before because of plagerism.....wow what a duo...it is more like we would call them "Duo Penotti"
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:33 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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I've heard both sides, so I decided to check out "Joe The Plumber" myself. Everything in this article is true from what I can find.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/joe-plumber-more-joe-keating-family (broken link)-

So Joe was a plant just like the people at the rally where McCain said Obama is a good man. Why did he do that? Because he lost the first 2 debates and needed to claim that he "repudiated" any slander against Obama, which is ridiculous, since he and Palin have been attacking his character for weeks. Obama wants to talk about the problems facing Americans, not negative campaign ads. Then "Joe" approaches Obama and McCain makes sure everyone knows about this one man? I know a few plumbers and, although they are fairly well off, none of them earn over $250,000 a year. If someone is fortunate to be that successful, then why wouldn't he/she want to provide an affordable healthcare plan to employees? Obama isn't telling people "work hard and share your money with the lazy slobs who drink & watch TV all day" but rather asking all Americans to take a step back and understand that you get back what you give. I worked for a company for 21 years and there were 3 generations of workers in the factory because they got such great benefits and fair wages. People aren't loyal any more because they get nothing back except a paycheck that won't even cover the bills.

Well, I didn't mean to rant so much, but McCain is very sleazy to create this character who doesn't even have a license to operate a plumbing business. It expired in 2002. I've read other stories that say he's not even a registered voter, but I need to find a reliable source. However, you can just go to the Ohio State Licensing Board and checkout the other claim. What a scam!

Edit: I don't know why my link won't work from this site.
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