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Teatime, I usually agree with you but 6 years is too long for a really bad president.
Yes, that is true. Unfortunately, as a practical matter, "really bad Presidents" tend to get reelected (Nixon, GW Bush). A single six year term should take some of the "campaign instead of govern" mentality out of the national equation.
Then please explain why you would be voting for either of the two parties, and more specifically why the RNC? You can look up the donors for all the elections, federal and state, and the majority of large dollar and special interest money is given to the RNC. Not to say that the DNC isn't as bad, but you only have to go back two years ago with the RNC connections to Abramoff
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You may have very good reasons for not wanting a McCain presidency. I would disagree but at least your informed and you know why you feel the why you do. More power to ya! Most voters don't.
Like the hate mongers that show up to McCain rallies?
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You can't sit and b*tch about GWB when gets a second term because the people who voted for him have little knowledge of why they did and cheer when Obama is leading in the polls with the same ignorant people. They believe what they see on TV, and money buys TV. This corruption is destroying the nation and the people aren't sharp enough to know what's going on.
Apples to oranges. The support that Obama has from younger voters is hardly the same that GW got from fundamentlists. I am not going to get into the technological divide this country faces, but the possibility of debating a president online with this many people didn't exist 12 years ago. The 18-30 yr olds that people are so eager to dismiss are the ones who are defining the future of our country right now. The previous infrastructure is failing as I write this. The next generation will inherit the debt and be forced to pay for the failures (bailouts) of right now.
Then please explain why you would be voting for either of the two parties, and more specifically why the RNC? You can look up the donors for all the elections, federal and state, and the majority of large dollar and special interest money is given to the RNC. Not to say that the DNC isn't as bad, but you only have to go back two years ago with the RNC connections to Abramoff
Like the hate mongers that show up to McCain rallies?
Apples to oranges. The support that Obama has from younger voters is hardly the same that GW got from fundamentlists. I am not going to get into the technological divide this country faces, but the possibility of debating a president online with this many people didn't exist 12 years ago. The 18-30 yr olds that people are so eager to dismiss are the ones who are defining the future of our country right now. The previous infrastructure is failing as I write this. The next generation will inherit the debt and be forced to pay for the failures (bailouts) of right now.
You push Barr but only criticize Mccain. That tells me your really a democrat trying to split the conservative vote. And you still haven't answered my question, Under what scenario does Barr win.
As for the youth vote, no one ever won because young people showed up to vote! Young people don't bother.
I believe in term limits for all elected officials. Biden ,kennedy and way too many others would have been out on thier azzes and actually earing their pay for a change.
From the posts I've read so far, it would appear that once again I am the only conservative voice on the forum. I'm really not sure where to begin with this one. I guess I'm the last one to find out about the events at the McCain rally today. It is a shame that the political air has become so toxic as of late. I would say more so than at any time in my previous experience. I see all of us in a few years looking back at the good ol' days when someone would seek the White House for the all the right reasons. Most important of these reasons is a sincere desire to lead America without self-serving ambition being the sole motive. We talk about service and having causes greater than ourselves as being paramount, but as people rise through the ranks of public office, they seem to change into soulless political robots who are able to act the part and speak the lines, but in a crass and uncaring sort of way. They'll swear that's not the case, but then they change positions on policies so fundamental to their stated values that you must conclude that their whole public image is all just a self-serving act. I blame the parties for this, but I also blame us, the voters. Their are just certain things voters will simply not accept from any candidate. So if they are in genuine it is only because we have voted out of office everyone who dared challenge our sense of entitlement leaving only the double-talking slime rag liars who vent politician's horse sh*t with every breath. They will tell us anything we want to hear as long as they are being elected. I also think by then the entire federal government will be made up entirely of professional politicians who, to a man, or woman, have never learned any of the fundamental lessons of American life first hand. They'll make the same speeches and give the same assurances. But the value of these promises will be worth less than investment bank stock because they will be backed only with hypocrisy and ingenuousness. Like our out of control GSEs, government has become too much of its own entity and accountable to no one, only telling us the rosy forecasts while concealing the looming debt of condescension and disconnection. Honestly, at this point, I would favor term limits of just one term without exceptions. It's the only way to get the money out of the game, and until the money is gone, their will be no accountability.
You are right - politics is sick with money. I wish they would adopt a system like the UK - where campaigning only lasts a few months - and they are limited to spending a certain amount of money, and I believe those funds are taxpayer provided.
I am also for term limits - but I think one term may be too little. I'd like them out after about 10 years - because by then they have sold their souls to the highest bidder.
People realize this, but they still vote to send the same long-serving politicians back to DC. Why don't they wake up and vote these people out of office???
By the way, a word of advice. Please break your posts up into paragraphs. It is hard to read it when it's one big paragraph.
I voted for Libertarians in the last two elections. It was only after Barr got the nomination that I decided I would vote for Obama. I wanted Ruwart and was upset to see what, I thought at the time was a republican take over of my party. I am starting to reconcile with this fundamental difference that I had with barr over the patriot act, the impeachment scandals, and what I saw as a party line repub.
After this bailout package I am against both major candidates. This forum is so pathetically gossip that I will stand up for Obama when low information voters post thread after thread of slander. These posters are the same people who caused me to leave the Libertarians in the first place. I hold a sweet spot of disdain for them at the pit of my heart.
And the youth vote is going to shock you this year. I for one am happy to see the involvement.
I voted for Libertarians in the last two elections. It was only after Barr got the nomination that I decided I would vote for Obama. I wanted Ruwart and was upset to see what, I thought at the time was a republican take over of my party. I am starting to reconcile with this fundamental difference that I had with barr over the patriot act, the impeachment scandals, and what I saw as a party line repub.
After this bailout package I am against both major candidates. This forum is so pathetically gossip that I will stand up for Obama when low information voters post thread after thread of slander. These posters are the same people who caused me to leave the Libertarians in the first place. I hold a sweet spot of disdain for them at the pit of my heart.
And the youth vote is going to shock you this year. I for one am happy to see the involvement.
"As the next month progresses I am leaning more and more towards switching my vote for Barr."
If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck,...........It's a democrat operative.
Don't be disheartened. There are many true conservatives on this forum. I am a rare Conservative Democrat. Very Conservative economically and moderately Conservative socially. I've been active in Democratic party politics since I was in my 20's, over 30 years but I usually vote a split ticket supporting candidate's positions rather than party positions. The Democratic party has moved very far to the left in this election. Even state and local candidates seem to be expousing liberal viewpoints.
I can't support Obama
I'm not a fan of McCain
Third parties aren't a viable alternative.
I'm afraid we are in for a miserable 4 years with Barack Obama as president.
No need to change term limits. The American public will limit Obama's presidency.
In four years the country will be sick of him and kick him to the curb.
Hardly. I have deep moral convictions that make me despise Barr. Given the current global crisis if either candidate makes another move to waste taxpayer money I am definitely voting Barr. I'm already committed to voting Libertarian locally.
and by the way nice dodge of the question to begin with by calling out my personal affiliations. If you are really a conservative please justify your vote for McCain to me.
If it looks like a socialist, and quacks like a socialist....It's a socialist operative
I think one six year term could be good. The only problem I can foresee is that eventually we would run out of people who want the jobs.
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