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View Poll Results: Who Would Get Your Vote?
Joe Biden 132 60.83%
Sarah Palin 85 39.17%
Voters: 217. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-11-2008, 11:34 AM
 
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What exactly is the religious right?

You mean a republican that is religious?
Nope - not necessarily - at least not to me.

To me the religious right means a group of people that want to make their religious views the law of the land, those that would like to turn this country into a theocracy.

There are quite a few Republicans that are "religious" but do want government and religion to be separate....

Me, I am a live and let live kind of person, as long as you are not hurting anyone else with your behavior.
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Old 09-11-2008, 11:41 AM
 
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I find this a little strange since she doesn't support sex eduction.
I sense a disconnect in reasoning here. Maybe someone can help me understand?



abstinence vs. passing out birth control
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Old 09-11-2008, 12:04 PM
 
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abstinence vs. passing out birth control
I wrote a reply before, but it got lost so I'll try to reconstruct it and hope it won't end up as being posted a second time.

I'm not certain passing out birth control is standard for sex education, but I'm not very well versed on this subject. I'd agree that would seem pretty extreme at the face of it without knowing more about how or why it is done and under what circumstances.

I thought sex education was about teaching abstinence as the first and best prevention and if you can't abstain, then such and such. And I thought proponents think of it as being more realistic than flat out saying abstinence is the only way.

I thought people who are opposed to sex education believe it is encouraging sex. Wouldn't teaching gun safety be the same thing, i.e., encouraging children to use guns?

I'm not necessarily for or against sex education and I can see both views on it. It's a difficult issue. I've never given much thought to teaching gun safety. But I do see a disconnect in reasoning when being for one and against the other.
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:17 PM
 
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I wrote a reply before, but it got lost so I'll try to reconstruct it and hope it won't end up as being posted a second time.

I'm not certain passing out birth control is standard for sex education, but I'm not very well versed on this subject. I'd agree that would seem pretty extreme at the face of it without knowing more about how or why it is done and under what circumstances.

I thought sex education was about teaching abstinence as the first and best prevention and if you can't abstain, then such and such. And I thought proponents think of it as being more realistic than flat out saying abstinence is the only way.

I thought people who are opposed to sex education believe it is encouraging sex. Wouldn't teaching gun safety be the same thing, i.e., encouraging children to use guns?

I'm not necessarily for or against sex education and I can see both views on it. It's a difficult issue. I've never given much thought to teaching gun safety. But I do see a disconnect in reasoning when being for one and against the other.

Okay maybe passing out birth control is to much but teaching about it can only lead to one thing.

Anyways let's just leave it at how to use birth control like my school taught in middle school. They taught us about birth control and how to use a condom and failure rates ....etc.

That didn't stop babies either like some will argue about abstinence only teaching.

The difference I see is abstinence teaches responsibility and consequences where as the other method tends to teach the opposite...

Well if your going to be irresponsible anyways here take these and take your 70% chance.....and there is off chance you'll get pregnant but it's there.

I'm not sure there is a right way to do it and I'm not sure either of these ways alone is the best way for every child. Children learn differently and have different beliefs which most likely mimic the parents....or is forced by the parents either way. If that's the case you can expect it to never be solved and anyone that believes differently will be forced to do it a different way then they wish ie.....ACLU.....as in so many other cases.
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:22 PM
 
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Default Biden

I unapologetically voted for Biden. Beside the fact that I have respected Biden for quite a while, I think it is beyond foolhardy to put someone like Palin in the Whitehouse only 2 weeks after coming on the national scene. There is tremendous benefit to the American people to have someone in a position like that scrutinized on the nation stage for more than just a couple weeks.
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:38 PM
 
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My vote would be for Biden
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Old 09-11-2008, 02:46 PM
 
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Well spoken.
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Old 09-11-2008, 05:28 PM
 
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Honestly, there should be a "neither" option. Selecting candidates for public office these days is a joke because they seem to be magnets for controversy.
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Uptown
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For the record, I am not voting for the McCain/Palin ticket, but I still prefer Palin over Biden. The only thing that would compele me to vote for McCain/Palin would be 1.) a change on their Iraq stance, and 2.) a fix for the economy.
Not only will there be years and years of war in Iraq with McCain, but I believe that there will be other conflicts, specifically Russia. Sarah Palin alluded to this in her interview. That could be very costly (not just $) for Americans.

McCain's economic policy is the same as GWBs. This county is in real economic turmoil. I have been to 8 countries in the last 50 weeks, and I am amazed at the worth of the dollar now. Sad. But we just print more when we need it. Don't people get it? The hardest hit will be the uneducated, service personnel, plus the working middle class. In some areas of the country couples with modest salaries, such as a teachers and a policemen cannot afford to buy a home. These are the people that need to be voting, and realizing that it is their future.

Unfortunately this election has gotten off topic. Too many people are voting for the most popular. For me I want intellect back in the White House, and that is what I see in Obama/Biden. I want a team that will LOGICALLY think through problems and situations, not to trust them to GOD, or their GUT.
Thanks for a great debate. Enlightening.
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:31 PM
 
Location: east coast
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Default vote now

it would have to be Palin, she is more confident. the last thing we need in the WH is for someone to second guess theirself.

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If the number one and number two spots in the Presidential race were reversed, who would get your vote and why? Please base it solely between Biden and Palin as if neither had chosen a VP yet.

Your vote will be private.
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