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Old 06-30-2008, 07:53 PM
 
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What you fail to realize is Clark's hypocrisy. If Kerry was everything a commander in chief should be, so says Clark, McCain trumps that by a long shot. He applauded Kerry's service in wartime, his leadership, his bravery and courage - all things Clark thought qualified Kerry to be CIC.

So...when he says McCain's service does not necessarily qualify him for CIC, that can only lead reasonable people to the truth. He's just a minion of Obama's and will say anything to minimize the enormous advantage McCain has over Obama in this department.

In addition to his military service, his years of service in the Senate will serve him well.

The Naval Academy; One of the country's most elite institutions - That grooms future cadets in among other things - leadership.

Thats kinda true, but honestly I work with a lot of academy yahoo's and you would be surprised at how many of them can't make a sound decision. Don't believe the hype and Mccain graduated at the bottom. It doesn't matter if you like Clark or not. What he said was valid. All of the things Mccain has done doesn't qualify him for president on the platform he is running on. He couldn't even hold a Major command like being a CAG or DCAG. If he couldn't cut the mustard of being in charge of a Airwing, why does he think that translates to forgien policy experience. He hasn't made the decisions yet, and thats what he is running on, there is no need to bring in Clarks background on this.
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:00 PM
 
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What do you think he really thinks of Obama who has ZERO experience. Must think of him as someone getting to boot camp;and needs lead by the nose.Clark is just one of thsoe general that never got to the top after thier vietnam performance and is ignore by his former comrades.In the end he will wish he had kept his mouth shut; but tehn he already is thought of as a media premadonna.
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
What you fail to realize is Clark's hypocrisy. If Kerry was everything a commander in chief should be, so says Clark, McCain trumps that by a long shot. He applauded Kerry's service in wartime, his leadership, his bravery and courage - all things Clark thought qualified Kerry to be CIC.

So...when he says McCain's service does not necessarily qualify him for CIC, that can only lead reasonable people to the truth. He's just a minion of Obama's and will say anything to minimize the enormous advantage McCain has over Obama in this department.

In addition to his military service, his years of service in the Senate will serve him well.

The Naval Academy; One of the country's most elite institutions - That grooms future cadets in among other things - leadership.
Excellent Institution the Naval Academy, can't argue with you there. I'm certain Senator McCain had an exemplary experience while there. I'm very interested in the following statement, perhaps you're on to something -

"In addition to his military service, his years of service in the Senate will serve him well."

So you have examples of the leadership and policy making we've waited for. Links? Well what took you so long? Clearly you understood that this was a discussion regarding Senator McCain's expertise in foreign affairs, foreign policy and leadership in these critical areas. This is his primary platform, yes?
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Yep. Check it out here;

John McCain on the Issues
Project Vote Smart - Senator John Sidney McCain III - Voting Record

I warn you, it's long. Might take you a while to get through all the committee actions and voting issues.

You might want to start with Obama's. Should take you about 5 minutes.
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:21 PM
 
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For this man to attack McCain that was serving his country
that was shot down, held captive and tortured for 5 years
is just low down.
What the hell has Obama done??
Served as a community organizer?
Obama can not stand for 5 minutes with out caving in.
Obama is screwing up if he attacks McCain on his service, this makes several now that has done so and then Obama says he disagrees so he thinks his hands are clean.
This is how Obama fights.... dirty.
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:28 PM
 
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What do you think he really thinks of Obama who has ZERO experience. Must think of him as someone getting to boot camp;and needs lead by the nose.Clark is just one of thsoe general that never got to the top after thier vietnam performance and is ignore by his former comrades.In the end he will wish he had kept his mouth shut; but tehn he already is thought of as a media premadonna.
Last time I checked Supreme allied Commander is pretty close to the top. Much higher on the food chain than senator. Only 1 allied commander, 100 senators. Also being a liberal in the armed forces is difficult. I know this with 1st hand experience

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For this man to attack McCain that was serving his country
that was shot down, held captive and tortured for 5 years
is just low down.
What the hell has Obama done??
Served as a community organizer?
Obama can not stand for 5 minutes with out caving in.
Obama is screwing up if he attacks McCain on his service, this makes several now that has done so and then Obama says he disagrees so he thinks his hands are clean.
This is how Obama fights.... dirty.

Obama is not attacking McCain on his service. Clark is and he can becuase his military record outshines McCains and he called him out for it. Once again getting shot down and being a POW doesnt' make you a forgien policy expert. Thats the Platform that he is running on and it seems to be lacking after called out.
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:34 PM
 
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Senator Obama isn't running as the foreign policy expert.
Exactly... what type of expert is Obama running as? Ohh, an expert at nothing? Surely that is a qualification for something, but president?
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Once again getting shot down and being a POW doesnt' make you a forgien policy expert. Thats the Platform that he is running on and it seems to be lacking after called out.
That's certainly not the whole platform. It is a PART of his experience.

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When the North Vietnamese learned of the identity of McCain’s father, they offered to release him early. This was a propaganda move, designed to show other prisoners of war that the “elites” would accept special treatment, and also designed to show other countries that the North Vietnamese could be compassionate and kind. The move backfired when McCain refused to go free unless all the men captured before him were released also, something that the North Vietnamese did not want to do.
He displayed leadership, sacrifice and bravery.

I can see why Obama would want to denigrate McCain's service. It just makes him look even more like a cheap, empty suit.
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Senator Obama isn't running as the foreign policy expert.
Neither is McCain. He has never claimed to be an "expert". His experience far surpasses anything Obama has done.
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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That's certainly not the whole platform. It is a PART of his experience.

He displayed leadership, sacrifice and bravery.

I can see why Obama would want to denigrate McCain's service. It just makes him look even more like a cheap, empty suit.
I find it more interesting/disgusting that he has others do it for him and then puts space between their comments and his "above the fray" aloof dismissal of their comments.

Just a classic old time politician.
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