General Wesley Clark - John McCain "Untested and Untried" (economic, elect)
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The issue has never been a question of Senator Mccains hero stature, just a simple question of what leadership has he displayed and policy making has he been a lead on, that qualifies his campaign to run on the foreign policy/military leader platform.
If Senator Obama said he was the "economy" candidate we would hammer and question him on every aspect of his right to be viewed as such.
The more McCain the soldier gets discussed the more he becomes associated with war and intervention. As he attempts to establish his identity the more our national discussions create the image of him being the war candidate. So the new ad that we need McCain to finish the job is going to play how?
That would be a yes except you and I both know the unofficial attacks are/will be coming both ways. You started a thread about a vet group challenging Obama and another poster said it was a front for McCain cronies. All this does is support the reasons Obama didn't take public financing. If it only went one way then Obama would be vulnerable. However McCain is of the party with the Swift boating history and that is what he needs to live down and I don't see it happening.
His "swift boat" worries are probably on the back burner with Senator Gramm on the trail. I'm wondering if he will take a prominent role in the decision making process regarding Iran and of course there's Iraq tossing out the time line for withdrawal. If there was ever a time for his foreign policy expertise and leadership to shine, it appears to be now.
His "swift boat" worries are probably on the back burner with Senator Gramm on the trail. I'm wondering if he will take a prominent role in the decision making process regarding Iran and of course there's Iraq tossing out the time line for withdrawal. If there was ever a time for his foreign policy expertise and leadership to shine, it appears to be now.
Shine? Probably another dull thud from Mr. Dynamic.
Shine? Probably another dull thud from Mr. Dynamic.
Here's a review of Senator McCain's positions regarding foreign policy and the War in Iraq. We certainly need his leadership and expertise to quell the conflicting problem of whether to stay (beyond the UN mandate and the wishes of the Iraqi Leadership) or to leave and fail as Senator McCain intimates.
"I’d just add that the “evolution” of McCain’s thinking on a permanent U.S. troop presence in Iraq has taken a surprising number of twists and turns.
Consider:
* In 2005, McCain decided Iraqis resent our military presence, so we should reject a Korea-like model for long-term troop deployment. He insisted that “U.S. ‘visibility’ was detrimental to the Iraq mission and that Iraqis were responding negatively to America’s presence — positions held by both Obama and Clinton.”
* In 2006, McCain reversed course, and embraced the Korea model for a long-term military presence.
* In 2007, McCain reversed course again, saying the Korean analogy doesn’t work and shouldn’t be followed. “[E]ventually I think because of the nature of the society in Iraq and the religious aspects of it that America eventually withdraws,” McCain told Charlie Rose last fall.
* And in 2008, McCain reversed course yet again, deciding that we should be prepared to leave troops in Iraq, even if it means 100 years or more.
At each step, McCain was not only convinced that he was absolutely right, but dismissed anyone who dared to disagree with him as uninformed and unreliable."
Here's a review of Senator McCain's positions regarding foreign policy and the War in Iraq. We certainly need his leadership and expertise to quell the conflicting problem of whether to stay (beyond the UN mandate and the wishes of the Iraqi Leadership) or to leave and fail as Senator McCain intimates.
"I’d just add that the “evolution” of McCain’s thinking on a permanent U.S. troop presence in Iraq has taken a surprising number of twists and turns.
Consider:
* In 2005, McCain decided Iraqis resent our military presence, so we should reject a Korea-like model for long-term troop deployment. He insisted that “U.S. ‘visibility’ was detrimental to the Iraq mission and that Iraqis were responding negatively to America’s presence — positions held by both Obama and Clinton.”
* In 2006, McCain reversed course, and embraced the Korea model for a long-term military presence.
* In 2007, McCain reversed course again, saying the Korean analogy doesn’t work and shouldn’t be followed. “[E]ventually I think because of the nature of the society in Iraq and the religious aspects of it that America eventually withdraws,” McCain told Charlie Rose last fall.
* And in 2008, McCain reversed course yet again, deciding that we should be prepared to leave troops in Iraq, even if it means 100 years or more.
At each step, McCain was not only convinced that he was absolutely right, but dismissed anyone who dared to disagree with him as uninformed and unreliable."
Even beyond the changes in position is the question of leadership. This thread was started in response to questions over Senator McCain's leadership in the arena of foreign policy and when and if that leadership even exists. Clearly it has been difficult to establish.
What is particularly stinging is the credibility Clark has. He has decades of military, political and foreign affairs leadership and McCain...well, doesn't.
Being a pilot in the Navy doesn't have anything to do with being the leader of the free world, and Clark called BS on that. Good for him.
What is particularly stinging is the credibility Clark has. He has decades of military, political and foreign affairs leadership and McCain...well, doesn't.
Oh gosh. The guy has virtually no credibility left. He is a joke and already a one-time loser (2004). Where is he now? Under the bus?
Oh gosh. The guy has virtually no credibility left. He is a joke and already a one-time loser (2004). Where is he now? Under the bus?
I never expected you to turn on Senator McCain so quickly. WOW
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