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Old 10-19-2020, 12:14 PM
 
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Yes. I also read it when it came out 4 months ago.

The article I provided is more current and provides concrete examples of what pollsters are doing to help combat the issues raised in the 4 month old article you posted. It flies completely in the face of your “nothing has changed” comment.

Let's talk about on Nov. 4th.
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Old 10-19-2020, 12:16 PM
 
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Polls are designed to get the result they want and to then influence people, not inform them.
This is false.
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Old 10-19-2020, 12:17 PM
 
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The lack of knowledge on basic polling practices and statistics in this thread is baffling.

If polls are designed to get a certain result, why has pretty much every election in modern history featured final polling averages that were within 2% of the final outcome (the only exception being 2012)?
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Old 10-19-2020, 12:25 PM
 
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That is not based on enthusiasm, though. That's the lie. It's based on two very different views on the pandemic. One side could not care less how many people are sacrificed to it, while the other does. I'm sure you can guess which is which.

No pollster would intentionally ask tilted questions and still expect to be taken seriously. Polling is big business, and that business is to be as accurate as possible. If you keep selling a crappy product, people stop buying it. Pollsters want accuracy. Now, that is not to say that there aren't pollsters that skew the results to one side or another, but that's why you don't look at just a single poll or pollster, but the averages of them all taken together.

Some of the swing states have been within the margins of error from the start, so those are the ones that could go either way. However, expecting significant movement in the polling seems unlikely at this point, and there are plenty of states- including many swing states- that are now well outside the margins of error. We're just a few weeks away from the election, tens of millions have already voted and there are relatively few undecideds. There's only so much movement that's possible.

Turnout will win the election. And yes, pollsters want accuracy which is why we now see them suddenly tightened. Come election day most battleground states within a margin of error. Doesn't matter how skewed their polling numbers were throughout the election year.

Only the final poll result is what will count.
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Old 10-19-2020, 12:27 PM
 
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Let's talk about on Nov. 4th.
Ok, but to say that “nothing has changed” when I showed you exactly what has changed is a bit odd.

On Nov 4th we will know if the changes were effective, not whether or not changes actually occurred.
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Old 10-19-2020, 12:36 PM
 
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Turnout will win the election. And yes, pollsters want accuracy which is why we now see them suddenly tightened. Come election day most battleground states within a margin of error. Doesn't matter how skewed their polling numbers were throughout the election year.

Only the final poll result is what will count.
I’m still not seeing this “suddenly tightening” narrative.
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Old 10-19-2020, 12:40 PM
 
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I’m still not seeing this “suddenly tightening” narrative.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6841.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6861.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6765.html
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Old 10-19-2020, 12:45 PM
 
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I don’t see any trending.
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Old 10-19-2020, 12:47 PM
 
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I don’t see any trending.
Scroll down the page and you'll find the graph.
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Old 10-19-2020, 12:50 PM
 
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Here's one trending in favor of Biden. However, there's a 7 point which I would toss out as an outliner.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6974.html
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