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Old 05-02-2008, 02:27 AM
 
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The reality is we are going to have to go to some sort of universal plan to keep ourselves competitive in the world market. Our small businesses cannot afford the outrageous rates they are charges, and our large businesses are saddled with a huge amount of benefits making it hard to react in a competitive market.

The discussion here is to debate the two Democratic plans on the table. Hillary proposes mandatory coverage, Barack proposes voluntary coverage. Personally I am more inclined to Hillary's approach here, because it spreads the risk across the board and should in essence lower all costs.

For those who want neither, we know all the reasons that you do not. We do not need to discuss waiting for kidneys, or anecdotal tales of horror. Thoughts?
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Old 05-02-2008, 05:40 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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How exactly do you have a universal healthcare system that is voluntary?
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Old 05-02-2008, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Here
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Easy........Neither!
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Old 05-02-2008, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Fly-over country.
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Having experienced governement-run health care for nearly all of my adult life, I think the best solutions are:

- serious legal reform first (everyone has forgotten about this)
- more tax credits for health-insurance payments and health savings.
- a bit more portability, but I think after some legal reform, portability will be provided by the market
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Old 05-02-2008, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I want a healthcare system that provides care to the people that need care at a price that everyone can afford. If this requires the elimination of insurance company, Hospital Corporation and Drug Company profit that is a fair price to pay. There are plenty of ways to assure that enough medical staff and facilities are available to provide the services, facilities and drugs required by a civilized society. They just do not involve monopoly profit. I do not believe a market based system can provide the care at an affordable price because the reciepients do not have the option of refusing service because it is too expensive.
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Old 05-02-2008, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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I want a healthcare system that provides care to the people that need care at a price that everyone can afford. If this requires the elimination of insurance company, Hospital Corporation and Drug Company profit that is a fair price to pay. There are plenty of ways to assure that enough medical staff and facilities are available to provide the services, facilities and drugs required by a civilized society. They just do not involve monopoly profit. I do not believe a market based system can provide the care at an affordable price because the reciepients do not have the option of refusing service because it is too expensive.
Assuming that this would not be entirely possible, do you make the tradeoff on level of care or price?
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Old 05-02-2008, 07:53 AM
 
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I want neither, and I think universal care is a horrible idea

but i will spare you the arguments and leave it at that
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Old 05-02-2008, 07:59 AM
 
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Having experienced governement-run health care for nearly all of my adult life, I think the best solutions are:

- serious legal reform first (everyone has forgotten about this)
- more tax credits for health-insurance payments and health savings.
- a bit more portability, but I think after some legal reform, portability will be provided by the market
I like your ideas.....the main problem that I can see though is that most of our legislators are in fact lawyers and reforming the legal system is the last thing they will want to do
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Old 05-02-2008, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Omaha Ne
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I like ideas that both bring to the table. But Clinton's seems to have a better plan by making it mandatory. This will ensure no one is left out of the program, unlike the voluntary one.

I agree they do need some kind of legal reform as well.

Medical care should not be a profitable business as far as I'm concerned.

What really pisses me off is all of the drug commercials on TV, which I have heard that they are illegal in other countries?
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Old 05-02-2008, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Manitoba
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personaly i would reform it, and seriously look into some countries in the European Union.

The problem, too many Americans fear major changes.
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