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Old 05-05-2008, 02:38 PM
 
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Moral hazard. I think the reason Katrina happened is because the citizens were too dependant on government and failed to take responsibility for themselves. I think the reaction to Katrina sent a wake up call that you shouldn't depend on the gov.

In regard to taking responsibility for themselves, it's funny because everone says it's the government's fault. However, they fail to realize that for thirty years while it was waiting to happen, their Congresspeople were porking $1M parks and all kinds of other things that put the levees on the back burner.

If they don't pay for their levees, why should my tax dollars save them?



Says you. I prefer to take responsibility when I choose not to run from a fight. I prefer to take responsibility when I have an inadequate alarm system on my truck. I don't get whiny and demand the community help me pay for my mistakes via the government.

Welcome to the independant spirit of America, my friend.




You should come endure some of our subsidized colleges where the price is high because of high demand and the education is worthless because the programs have been diluted to get morons through.




Yes and no on point one. The opportunity to have the luxury to afford it is given to everyone. If you choose to live your life in such a way that you cannot afford it, then you have a cultural deficiency which leads you to failure. America's meritocracy ensures that a cultural selection will take place and your children, in the absence of a welfare state, will realize the error of your ways and change.

If we didn't have that (which, regrettably, we really don't), aberrant culture would be able to compete with successful culture on a more "level playing field". Then, America would begin to look more and more like a country whose culture is aberrant: Mexico, for example.



Wouldn't that be wonderful? Then, for about four years or so, we could trust the government and give them lots of extra responsibilities... then the next term, someone bad gets elected and everyone's oppressed becasue he/she has so much power available...

The question that must be asked when you say "trust the government" is "How many generations must benefit from the force of government to justify the one generation who's oppressed?"

When you do that, you'll be able to tell me how many beneficiaries does it take to make the enslavement of one person morally correct?
Ouch! One Thousand, you are taking no prisoners today!

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Old 05-05-2008, 02:40 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Under UHC you will pay a small tax and you will recieve life long cover. You will not pay anything like the premiums you now pay. If you still want private health care you will be able to pay that too and still not be paying what you are paying today. So yes you are chucking your money away. Simple economics.
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The federal govt gave huge amounts of money to New Orleans over the years to fix the levies. It was spent elsewhere or went into the pockets of corrupt officials. i know many people in the USA who work hard and cannot afford healthcare. They are not scroungers. I have never run away from a fight and i have never allowed a attacker to get away with their crimes either. Too many Americans are now sticking their heads in the sand and forgetting their ass is showing.
Again, I would suggest you stay on your side of the pond then. You will not like it here
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:42 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Replace the word independant for company owned.
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Under UHC you will pay a small tax and you will recieve life long cover. You will not pay anything like the premiums you now pay. If you still want private health care you will be able to pay that too and still not be paying what you are paying today. So yes you are chucking your money away. Simple economics.
Sorry, I disagree. I get the kind of service I desire for a price I feel that is fair to me.

It is like getting a car - I can buy a $10,000 USD car or a $75,000 USD car. Both will get me from point A to point B.

But, I would choose the $75,000 car because of all the luxury and features the $10,000 car does not have.

No, I'm not throwing my money away. Not at all
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:45 PM
 
Location: DFW area
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Under UHC you will pay a small tax and you will recieve life long cover. You will not pay anything like the premiums you now pay. If you still want private health care you will be able to pay that too and still not be paying what you are paying today. So yes you are chucking your money away. Simple economics.
What about the doctor's who are making good money for the job they do?
They're gonna have to be working now at what, 30-40k a year?

Can you tell me how successful this so called Universal healthcare has been in the UK?
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:46 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I love it in America. The people are in general good hard working citizens. I am lucky i can now have the best of both worlds, the USA and the UK. This also means i can see the faults on both sides of the pond and the good points. I live in both countries and can see what can be done, i'm not cocooned in one way of life. You cannot defend or attack a system unless you have sampled it. I have sampled both.
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:47 PM
 
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Under UHC you will pay a small tax and you will recieve life long cover. You will not pay anything like the premiums you now pay. If you still want private health care you will be able to pay that too and still not be paying what you are paying today. So yes you are chucking your money away. Simple economics.
Since you're here and so concerned with our health system can I ask what is up with the teeth in the UK? Are there not enough dentists or what? What is up with the Brits (who I love) and their teeth?
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I have sampled both.
As have I
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:53 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Doctors in the UK are payed extremely well. They can also work in the private sector if they wish. There are few doctors in the UK who earn less than £70,000 per year. Many make much more. The hospitals in the UK are of a extremely high standard. We have new hospitals built all the time to xcover higher demand.
BHR Hospitals - Queen's Hospital (http://www.bhrhospitals.nhs.uk/visitingus/newhos1.php - broken link) Here is a link to a local hospital. This is a local hospital and completely NHS.
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