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You are clearly upset. Otherwise, you wouldn't impute the canard of liberal white guilt into this discussion. Liberal white guilt means that whites who vote for a black candidate are voting merely because they want to assuage the guilt feelings they may harbor over the historical plight of blacks in the hands of white people.
You're on the wrong thread. That argument was made as a subset of a larger argument on your other thread.
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In other words, you are asserting that people who vote for Obama are irrational, that they don't vote because of issues but rather because of racial loyalties. That racism is the predominant reason for their voting behavior. That's an insult to all Obama voters of all races.
Yeah, I DO think a lot of votes for Obama are "irrational." For more than just race, but race motivated voting for Obama IS apparent. It's irrational to only vote for a candidate because they're white and "look like you," as it is to vote black for the same reason.
I don't care if you think that's insulting. Based on your attack dog style posts on Hillary, I see right through your fake indignation.
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What I'm trying to educate you about is this: there are other issues besides race that cause people to vote the way they do. White Republicans like myself vote for Obama because of his health care plan and his Reaganesque qualities. Black people may vote for Obama because they like his anti-Iraq war stance and his centrist views. It doesn't have to be because of his race. It is only you (and your racist theories) who is trying to explain what you see through the lens of race. What's more disturbing is you pretend to be able to read people's minds when they go into the voting booth.
ONLY Me? Open your eyes. Again. This thread is ABOUT RACE AND votes for Obama.
But whatever. If you want to convince yourself blacks are voting for Obama for his "centrist" views, go right ahead.
Again, I ask you: where is your evidence that blue state residents of red states are more liberal and therefore more prone to vote for Obama? [/quote]
Where's your evidence that they're not? I MADE MY ARGUMENT as to why I believe I do. No evidence needed. Try rebutting with rational arguments as to why you feel otherwise.
Where's your evidence that they're not? I MADE MY ARGUMENT as to why I believe I do. No evidence needed. Try rebutting with rational arguments as to why you feel otherwise.
Hmmm....the person who makes an assertion has the burden of proof. You are making an assertion, you prove it. I don't have to prove a negative. That's a basic rule in logic.
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But whatever. If you want to convince yourself blacks are voting for Obama for his "centrist" views, go right ahead.
You are free to believe that blacks vote for Obama because they are racist and irrational. That clearly is your main thesis on this thread. Even in the absence of evidence that you actually read their minds. Thanks for admitting your thought process on this issue. But don't complain that I have to point out to you the limits of your alleged powers of mental telepathy.
Nope. I am a white male and have never once been called a Feminist because I am voting for Hillary. I get called a racist DAILY because I support Hillary.
Hmmm....the person who makes an assertion has the burden of proof. You are making an assertion, you prove it. I don't have to prove a negative. That's a basic rule in logic.
Why do you demand PROOF? It's a theory that I have.
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You are free to believe that blacks vote for Obama because they are racist and irrational. That clearly is your main thesis on this thread. Even in the absence of evidence that you actually read their minds. Thanks for admitting your thought process on this issue. But don't complain that I have to point out to you the limits of your alleged powers of mental telepathy.
I didn’t call blacks “racist” for voting for Obama. I think it’s to be expected as blatant identity politics, and just find it ironic given our normal assumptions because a person who would vote “for the white guy” over Obama for no other reason wouldn’t be given the free pass.
But anyway, we’re all well-prepared to hear speculation about how racism will be the reason if Obama LOSES.
But yeah, racially motivated votes ARE irrational. So are votes based on who’s dressed better, or who is more handsome. Even voting for someone because they’re from the same town is an irrational vote at its core. The presidency is not “America’s Next Top Model.”
Nope. I am a white male and have never once been called a Feminist because I am voting for Hillary. I get called a racist DAILY because I support Hillary.
I have a feeling it has more to do with how you show your support than your support itself.
I have a feeling it has more to do with how you show your support than your support itself.
How I show my support? Hardly. This assumes that you presume to know me, and you certainly do not, as you are just another anonomous person on the internet. If you can find ANY post where I said that I would against Obama because he's a black man or for Hillary because he's a black man, we'd all love to see it.
It has everything to do with how Obama has effectively boxed both Hillary and her supporters into a situation that no matter what we say or how we approach him, we are labeled racist or we are "picking on him".
You yourself in another thread have the audacity to complain that FIX news has been biased against Obama and have picked on him regarding that ridiculous Madrassa propoganda. Have you not been WATCHING CNN?
My point is, no matter what we say or do, we are screwed in your eyes. Up to and including simply asking for straight-forward answers to issues in a standard one-on-one debate forum.
I didn’t call blacks “racist” for voting for Obama. I think it’s to be expected as blatant identity politics, and just find it ironic given our normal assumptions because a person who would vote “for the white guy” over Obama for no other reason wouldn’t be given the free pass.
Aww shucks, you don't have to be coy about it. Tell us what you really think about black voters who vote for Obama. Wait. You already did. You said they are irrational and vote along racial lines (i.e. they are racist).
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But anyway, we’re all well-prepared to hear speculation about how racism will be the reason if Obama LOSES.
So you are not only clairvoyant, you can also foretell the future. Tsk tsk. I think you have some serious racialist baggage affecting your psyche. Look, when Obama lost California, did you hear anyone blame it on racism? Did Obama complain about it? What I've seen is that Obama lost because he just didn't have time to organize his supporters in California...unlike Hillary who has built-in advantages in name recognition and party machinery. In fact, the Obama camp is not even calling it a loss since they managed to win a big chunk of delegates that only 6 months ago were believed to have been securely in the Clinton camp. Show us evidence that Obama is blaming his losses yesterday on racism.
You clearly are putting words in other people's mouths.
Considering the percentage of black people that are voting for him, I think you would have to say that the white voters are less prejudiced than the black voters. I hope within my lifetime, we will stop worrying about what race a person is.
Is that based upon your personal knowledge of Black people?
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