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I am seeing a trend that every Obama thread with mention to race ends up becoming a discussion of a wide variety of racial issues and usually ends up in a flame war. If people wish to discuss racial issues, then by all means, feel free to create a thread and knock yourselves out. In this thread, lets try to keep as close to the topic as we can.
Aww shucks, you don't have to be coy about it. Tell us what you really think about black voters who vote for Obama. Wait. You already did. You said they are irrational and vote along racial lines (i.e. they are racist).
This is starting to get tedious.
1) I want you to use the copy and paste function and copy where I call black voters voting for Obama RACIST.
2) Voting for racial reasons is a non-rational reason to vote. BUT, I suggest you get a dictionary and look up "racist" in the dictionary before making a tenuous connection between the two.
Until then, you're talking only to hear yourself talk.
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So you are not only clairvoyant, you can also foretell the future.
Ah yes, and you have the ability to focus your hatred into a laser like beam that has the ability to determine if a woman who tears up while her mentor praises her work for children as a cold and calculated move, divorced from any real emotion she may be feeling.
Pot, kettle. (I won't even SAY "black" because i fear I'll be subjected to another nauseating fake racial outrage tirade).
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I think you have some serious racialist baggage affecting your psyche.
And I think it's funny that you're getting worked up because I said a lot of liberal whites are trying to assuage their white guilt by gettin' down with the black man in that, "I'm not racist, I support Obama" kind of way. If that's causing weird stirrings of realization deep down inside, I can't help you.
I'm not a psychiatrist.
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Look, when Obama lost California, did you hear anyone blame it on racism?
No. But I didn't blame Hillary's losses in heavily black areas on RACISM either, but on identity politics.
However, there HAVE been analyses of the racial breakdown of the vote (like the OP had here for white voters), and Latinos and Asians aren't jumping on the Obama lemming train.
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the Obama camp is not even calling it a loss since they managed to win a big chunk of delegates that only 6 months ago were believed to have been securely in the Clinton camp.
Honestly, I could care less what the Obama camp is calling it. I am astonished by the sheer political naivete of some people. It's called POLITICS and SPIN. The sooner you realize your candidate is no different than any other on the issue of playing politics, pandering, and spinning information, the less disappointed you'll be in the future when that truth is laid bare.
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Show us evidence that Obama is blaming his losses yesterday on racism.
You clearly are putting words in other people's mouths.
Again, I should not have to show evidence for positions I have never taken.
I am seeing a trend that every Obama thread with mention to race ends up becoming a discussion of a wide variety of racial issues and usually ends up in a flame war. If people wish to discuss racial issues, then by all means, feel free to create a thread and knock yourselves out. In this thread, lets try to keep as close to the topic as we can.
Well, that's certainly been the (rather diabolical) intent.
So I love the irony that all of these tactics of reducing Obama to a "black activist" caricature, fly in the face of Obama's resounding victories by people in predominantly White states. Moreover, he receives significant support by White voters in states with diverse populations.
Well, that's certainly been the (rather diabolical) intent.
So I love the irony that all of these tactics of reducing Obama to a "black activist" caricature, fly in the face of Obama's resounding victories by people in predominantly White states. Moreover, he receives significant support by White voters in states with diverse populations.
Don't try to confuse people with logic backfist. That doesn't fly round these parts!!.
The people who voted for obama in idaho basically where all at the same event last saturday. I see obama winning washington state, maryland, lousiana, nebraska also.
1) I want you to use the copy and paste function and copy where I call black voters voting for Obama RACIST.
2) Voting for racial reasons is a non-rational reason to vote. BUT, I suggest you get a dictionary and look up "racist" in the dictionary before making a tenuous connection between the two.
How Clintonian! Even though you've clearly labeled chunks of the black population racist and irrational for voting in bloc fashion for Obama, you still manage to wiggle yourself out of your position. Reminds me of Bill Clinton denying ever having sex with Monica Lewinsky, even though his semen was all over her dress. In your case, the evidence is all over your posts.
A vote can only be called irrational if you actually talked to the voter and asked him to explain the rationale for his vote. It's only after the voter has explained this to you will you be in any position to decide whether his decsion was indeed rational or irrational.
But since you obviously didn't talk to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who voted for Obama, the only other way you could determine their rationality is if you were somehow able to read their minds through the power of mental telepathy. Barring that, your conclusion that black voters are irrational and racist because they voted as a bloc is nothing more than your own prejudices being projected onto other people you even haven't met or talked to.
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And I think it's funny that you're getting worked up because I said a lot of liberal whites are trying to assuage their white guilt by gettin' down with the black man in that, "I'm not racist, I support Obama" kind of way. If that's causing weird stirrings of realization deep down inside, I can't help you.
You're not a psychiatrist but you pretend to be one on the internet. You invoked white guilt as a reason why whites would vote for Obama. In your mind, this is the only conceivable reason why whites would ever vote for a black man. You could not imagine a situation where whites would actually vote for a black candidate because they agree with him on the issues. But apparently, this is not the universe you traffic in. In your universe, it is bizarre for whites to vote for a black candidate unless they are saddled with liberal white guilt.
This is how you framed your argument. Deny it if you will, but it is very obvious that your worldview is intrinsically racist. This explains why your theory of the cause of black voting behavior is the way it is.
How Clintonian! Even though you've clearly labeled chunks of the black population racist and irrational for voting in bloc fashion for Obama, you still manage to wiggle yourself out of your position. Reminds me of Bill Clinton denying ever having sex with Monica Lewinsky, even though his semen was all over her dress. In your case, the evidence is all over your posts.
Yeap. It’s officially tedious.
But, unlike Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky, it’s apparent you’re UNABLE TO PERFORM as requested.
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A vote can only be called irrational if you actually talked to the voter and asked him to explain the rationale for his vote. It's only after the voter has explained this to you will you be in any position to decide whether his decsion was indeed rational or irrational.
OMG, look sugar bear, I’ll lay it out for you: If you vote on RACE, your vote is IRRATIONAL. Deal with it.
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But since you obviously didn't talk to the hundreds of thousands of blacks who voted for Obama, the only other way you could determine their rationality is if you were somehow able to read their minds through the power of mental telepathy. Barring that, your conclusion that black voters are irrational and racist because they voted as a bloc is nothing more than your own prejudices being projected onto other people you even haven't met or talked to.
So much said and not a lick of substance.
A clear hallmark of those accepted into the fold as a foot soldier in the ranks of St. Obama of Illinois.
I seem to remember that the Irish and Greek Americans came out strongly for Kennedy and Dukakis, respectively. No one started calling them racist.
There have been at least five previous black presidential contenders that DID NOT get great black support. Black folks chose white candidates instead. Now there is a black candidate who is getting a lot of black support (but certainly not all, check out NY and NJ!). So, all of a sudden, the choices by black people are racist?
Obama is half white and was raised by his white mother, which everyone (the entire country) doesn't think about. Raised in Hawaii too, which I don't think is one of the more racist states. I realize that "one drop" makes you black, but, believe me, his mother's influence counts for alot. That's how I grew up as well.
Not sure how this fits in the this particular thread, so I'm interested in others' thoughts. Didn't want to start a new race related thread...
I seem to remember that the Irish and Greek Americans came out strongly for Kennedy and Dukakis, respectively. No one started calling them racist.
There have been at least five previous black presidential contenders that DID NOT get great black support. Black folks chose white candidates instead. Now there is a black candidate who is getting a lot of black support (but certainly not all, check out NY and NJ!). So, all of a sudden, the choices by black people are racist?
That's at least illogical.
That's the argument all along - blacks are voting for the first VIABLE black candidate. Iowa was a watershed because low and behold, white people were shown to be less racist than blacks assumed, and that they WOULD vote for a black guy. That's when blacks started to reconsider Obama. They make no bones about it. They've said it in interviews on TV, on the web, etc. Pointing out the obvious, however, will always get you called a racist by those who lack imagination or unique arguments.
But it is patently DISINGENOUS to say that basing a vote on race isn't at all irrational in a society that pretends to value MLK, etc.
Or, I know... we'll call it "affirmative action": Two equally qualified, so we'll take the one with more melanin to "redress" our sins.
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