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Old 05-04-2013, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Yup. Joe Biden most probably won't run for President. 2008 wasn't his first try, and he is a better campaigner for others than he is for himself. And the nation isn't ready for more Biden. There won't be another V.P. going from #2 to #1 again anytime soon- Bush the first was a very rare exception in a century that was filled with electoral oddities.

It will be interesting to see what he will do, though. I think it's possible he could run for his old Senate seat again, as he loves the political fray. But he could just as easily become an ambassador, or go on to lead the DNC or something. I don't think he will ever become a lobbyist, but he could go into an active retirement like Bill Clinton. Any way it lands, he won't fade away once his term is finished.
My guess is: he will either run for his old seat or become another Clinton. I don't see him heading up the DNC. I don't know why, I just don't see it. Actually, it is possible he might just retire period, but unless health issues develop, I don't see that happening. We do have to remember how old he will be in 2016.

I still have my doubts about Hillary running, mainly due to health issues. If she doesn't run, I think, we are going to see on the Democrat side, what we will see on the Republican side, almost all new faces. It is time to turn the gavel over to fresh faces and hopefully fresh ideas.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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While I'm yet to be convinced that Hillary will run, I think the times are ripening for our first female President, whoever she may be.
Assuming Hillary doesn't run, the party's probably gonna push Kirsten Gillibrand, who has second dibs on the Clinton money, as VP in 2016 if Andrew Cuomo, who has first dibs on the Clinton money, doesn't run or more likely loses the primary.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Why in Gods Green earth would you say demographics favor a bigger victory than 2012? This is about as untrue and telling us the laws will be changed so Obama can run again. There is no way anyone can begin to know what is going to happen in 2016..Some of us are objective enough to realize this. Right now, the Democrats have only one candidate that looks like a likely winner. Right now the Republicans have about 4 or 5 that, if the election was today would make a good showing, but no one knows if any of them will get the nomination and no one knows who will emerge from the left...
People born after 1980 are very, very liberal, and this demographic grows more each election cycle. Until the GOP embraces liberal social values i.e. gay marriage, secular progressivism, I don't think they have a chance of ever winning another national election. Republicans can't win without a sizable portion of people born after 1980.
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Old 05-05-2013, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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People born after 1980 are very, very liberal, and this demographic grows more each election cycle. Until the GOP embraces liberal social values i.e. gay marriage, secular progressivism, I don't think they have a chance of ever winning another national election. Republicans can't win without a sizable portion of people born after 1980.
You are making some good points, but you are forgetting a few things: people born after 1980 are not the ones that go to the polls as often as older people, this has always been the case and will continue to be. Add to this, many of them that do vote, might be support gay rights, etc. there are many who are still conservative. We have right in our own family. They are anything but very liberal, that is for sure. There are many ways of being liberal and social issues are just a small part. There are more issues than just gay marriage to be concerned with; young people as well as middle aged and older know this, especially after they start buying homes, are really out in the work force and are staring to consider having families.
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Old 05-05-2013, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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"45 has arrived" .....

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Old 05-06-2013, 08:50 AM
 
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You are making some good points, but you are forgetting a few things: people born after 1980 are not the ones that go to the polls as often as older people, this has always been the case and will continue to be.
People under 30 have made up more of the electorate than people over 65 for over two decades. Actually since Carter the only election where more senior citizens than younger voters went to the polls was Bush/Dukakis in '88.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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People under 30 have made up more of the electorate than people over 65 for over two decades. Actually since Carter the only election where more senior citizens than younger voters went to the polls was Bush/Dukakis in '88.
Where are you getting your information? As for how many over 65 versus under: I can buy more under 65 but not under 30? BTW, I don't think I ever said anything about people over 65. I was generalizing about the age the majority of voters are in and I can guarantee you they are not under 30...
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:15 PM
 
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Where are you getting your information? As for how many over 65 versus under: I can buy more under 65 but not under 30? BTW, I don't think I ever said anything about people over 65. I was generalizing about the age the majority of voters are in and I can guarantee you they are not under 30...
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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When going to Ark, be sure to land a Little Rock's "Bill & Hillary Clinton" airport. In a few years it will be the only airport in the Country named after 2 Presidents.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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either I am reading this wrong or you are off base: I do not see one election where more voters under 30 voted than middle aged and older voters. Again, I never mentioned people over 65, although they do seem to vote at about the same % as they younger voters. It looks to me like it is safe to say, the 30 to 60 year olds pretty much determine the outcome of the pres elections, wouldn't you say that?
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