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I'm not a fan of Romney or Obama, but this is clearly a case of choosing the lesser of two evils. So I'm curious: what do Romney's supporters who are mostly middle-class expect him to do that is dramatically different from what Obama did? From his background we know he
*feels entitled--is entitled
*lies with impunity
*hides his wealth in offshore accounts
*buys businesses, guts them, lays off workers, and then ships their jobs overseas
*will probably run this country the exact same way he runs Bain
*has made no secret of the fact he and Ryan want to do away with SS/Medicare
I only ask because the polls indicate that Obama is going to end up losing and I believe them. It is apparent that Obama's ads are having no effect on the poll numbers. It's also apparent that people simply don't care that Romney intends to destroy every social/domestic program he can get his hands on and pass that money on to big business and the MIC. On the other hand, Obama himself has attempted to destroy SS by reducing payments into the fund for two years and plans to divert 750 billion dollars away from Medicare to pay for Obamacare so he's proven himself to be no friend of seniors struggling to keep their heads above water. They are like two peas in a pod--Frick and Frack--so I don't really see either of them improving the dire circumstances this country finds itself in, but at least with Obama we have a known commodity, whereas with Romney the skies the limit as to the amount of damage he can do to the 99% of us commoners and to the country as a whole.
But I am curious why so many non-elitists (middle and lower class) gravitate to him despite knowing who and what he is--a mouthpiece for the 1%. Are there any indications his policies will actually improve things in this country? Please help me to understand.
I'm not a fan of Romney or Obama, but this is clearly a case of choosing the lesser of two evils. So I'm curious: what do Romney's supporters who are mostly middle-class expect him to do that is dramatically different from what Obama did? From his background we know he
*feels entitled--is entitled
*lies with impunity
*hides his wealth in offshore accounts
*buys businesses, guts them, lays off workers, and then ships their jobs overseas
*will probably run this country the exact same way he runs Bain
*has made no secret of the fact he and Ryan want to do away with SS/Medicare
I only ask because the polls indicate that Obama is going to end up losing and I believe them. It is apparent that Obama's ads are having no effect on the poll numbers. It's also apparent that people simply don't care that Romney intends to destroy every social/domestic program he can get his hands on and pass that money on to big business and the MIC. On the other hand, Obama himself has attempted to destroy SS by reducing payments into the fund for two years and plans to divert 750 billion dollars away from Medicare to pay for Obamacare so he's proven himself to be no friend of seniors struggling to keep their heads above water. They are like two peas in a pod--Frick and Frack--so I don't really see either of them improving the dire circumstances this country finds itself in, but at least with Obama we have a known commodity, whereas with Romney the skies the limit as to the amount of damage he can do to the 99% of us commoners and to the country as a whole.
But I am curious why so many non-elitists (middle and lower class) gravitate to him despite knowing who and what he is--a mouthpiece for the 1%. Are there any indications his policies will actually improve things in this country? Please help me to understand.
Do you honestly expect to get an unbiased opinion with a diatribe like that ? ROLMFAO I think you are
just looking to confirm your unobjective rant. Just saying--------
There are those people who always vote Republican, just as there are people who always vote Democrat.
There are people who believe that because Romney is very rich, he'll have a clue about the national economy (never mind that the USA is not a private equity business).
There are probably those who note that he is the White Guy.
I remind myself and others that one is not voting for one guy or the other guy- it's the whole group, the national party, and for me, the national Republican Party stances are abhorrent. It doesn't matter what I think of Romney or Obama individually (although I don't think well of Romney, and know him from his days as Mass. governor and as someone who still maintains residences in the same town where I work). But even if he said more than once and meant it- things that I believed in- the national party does not.
I personally think he just wants to be president to just be the president- no idea of the common good or anything, and would be totally manipulated by more sinister interests around him.
Look at the states where Republican Gov. were elected in 2010 by Conservatives by the Tea Party.
Their state economy puts Obama to shame with outstanding Job growth and many like Virginia
are running a surplus. Obama is a socialist and will bankrupt this county and soon. If he was
to get another term, not only will you be paying much more in tax's if you want to go to a doctor
anytime soon forget it. The government does not create jobs. Unemployment will get worse. If
you value your parents who are on Medicare Obama will force them off Medicare and onto ObamaCare which will end up killing them. When Sarah Palen talked about Death Panels she was right. READ THE BILL!
South Carolina is a conservative state and will stay that way. You liberal Progressives have screwed up
every state where you have a majority so if you don't like SC LEAVE. We may even help you!
South Carolina is a conservative state and will stay that way. You liberal Progressives have screwed up
every state where you have a majority so if you don't like SC LEAVE. We may even help you!
Quite informative, but this is the type of response to be expected from the right wingers.
Look at the states where Republican Gov. were elected in 2010 by Conservatives by the Tea Party.
Their state economy puts Obama to shame with outstanding Job growth and many like Virginia
are running a surplus. Obama is a socialist and will bankrupt this county and soon. If he was
to get another term, not only will you be paying much more in tax's if you want to go to a doctor
anytime soon forget it. The government does not create jobs. Unemployment will get worse. If
you value your parents who are on Medicare Obama will force them off Medicare and onto ObamaCare which will end up killing them. When Sarah Palen talked about Death Panels she was right. READ THE BILL!
I'm not a fan of Obama or Obamacare. I realize its deficits. I'm trying to understand why Romney's supporters, if they took a few minutes to think this thing through, don't realize that he is Obama on steroids.
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Bruce Dixon, managing editor of Black Agenda Report, in a recent article entitled "Closer Than You Think: Top 15 Things Romney and Obama Agree On" provided a list of the SIMILARITIES between Obama and Romney policies.
15. Obama and Romney maintain that only the private sector can or should create jobs.
14. Medicare, Medicaid and social security need to be cut to relieve the “deficit”.
13. Climate change treaties and negotiations are to be avoided at all costs.
12. NAFTA-like “free trade” corporate rights agreements should continue to be established.
11. Banks and Wall Street speculators deserve bailouts and protection from criminal liability. Underwater and foreclosed homeowners deserve no moratoriums or help.
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10. Palestinians should be occupied and dispossessed, Iran should be starved with sanctions and threatened with war, Cuba embargoed, and foreign policy should consist of bombing black and brown populations to expand global empire.
9. Africa should be militarized, destabilized, plundered, invaded by proxy armies or Western power aggression under the guise of “humanitarianism".
8. A US president can kidnap citizens of the US or any nation on the face of the earth and torture and indefinitely detain them or even murder them without trial.
7. Oil and energy companies and other mega-polluters may drill freely offshore almost everywhere, may be allowed to poison land and watersheds with fracking, etc.
6. The FCC should not regulate telecoms to ensure access to the poor or to guarantee network neutrality.
5. “Clean coal” and “safe nuclear energy” are to be promoted despite cancer epidemics and other environmental and medically devastating consequences.
4. Immigrants must be jailed and deported in record numbers, or locked up with little or no due process in atrocious privatized immigration prisons.
3. Private health care must benefit corporate vendors to obscene degrees at the sacrifice of accessible health care for all Americans.
2. There must be no minimum wage increases, no right to form unions, no right to negotiate or strike, no enforcement or reform of existing labor laws.
1. We must escalate the disastrous 40 year war on drugs and keep the prison industrial complex housing a shameful 2.3 million plus people continuing on.
My point in the OP was that we can gauge Obama from his previous term. Four years later and we are no better off but the country is still standing. With Romney it could take only half a term for him to sink the country. Or am I being too melodramatic? Is it an impossibility for a Republican administration and Congress to bankrupt America in one or even two terms? Is America too resilient to be brought down in four or even eight years?
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Originally Posted by brightdoglover
There are those people who always vote Republican, just as there are people who always vote Democrat.
There are people who believe that because Romney is very rich, he'll have a clue about the national economy (never mind that the USA is not a private equity business).
There are probably those who note that he is the White Guy.
I remind myself and others that one is not voting for one guy or the other guy- it's the whole group, the national party, and for me, the national Republican Party stances are abhorrent. It doesn't matter what I think of Romney or Obama individually (although I don't think well of Romney, and know him from his days as Mass. governor and as someone who still maintains residences in the same town where I work). But even if he said more than once and meant it- things that I believed in- the national party does not.
I personally think he just wants to be president to just be the president- no idea of the common good or anything, and would be totally manipulated by more sinister interests around him.
I agree. I believe Romney is determined to fulfill that Mormon prophecy. That's probably No. 1 on his mind. Bain is probably No. 2; his family and friends are probably No 3; and America is likely No 4. But what exactly is his plan to put the country back on its feet? And if he refuses to outline exactly how he plans to do it then why are people voting for him? Are they just voting against Obama, or are you saying that 50% of Americans would vote their party line even if they knew their candidate would lead them straight to the gates of hell?
I'm not a fan of Romney or Obama, but this is clearly a case of choosing the lesser of two evils. So I'm curious: what do Romney's supporters who are mostly middle-class expect him to do that is dramatically different from what Obama did? From his background we know he
*feels entitled--is entitled
*lies with impunity
*hides his wealth in offshore accounts
*buys businesses, guts them, lays off workers, and then ships their jobs overseas
*will probably run this country the exact same way he runs Bain
*has made no secret of the fact he and Ryan want to do away with SS/Medicare
I only ask because the polls indicate that Obama is going to end up losing and I believe them. It is apparent that Obama's ads are having no effect on the poll numbers. It's also apparent that people simply don't care that Romney intends to destroy every social/domestic program he can get his hands on and pass that money on to big business and the MIC. On the other hand, Obama himself has attempted to destroy SS by reducing payments into the fund for two years and plans to divert 750 billion dollars away from Medicare to pay for Obamacare so he's proven himself to be no friend of seniors struggling to keep their heads above water. They are like two peas in a pod--Frick and Frack--so I don't really see either of them improving the dire circumstances this country finds itself in, but at least with Obama we have a known commodity, whereas with Romney the skies the limit as to the amount of damage he can do to the 99% of us commoners and to the country as a whole.
But I am curious why so many non-elitists (middle and lower class) gravitate to him despite knowing who and what he is--a mouthpiece for the 1%. Are there any indications his policies will actually improve things in this country? Please help me to understand.
With Obama you have had four years in which he has behaved himself knowing he will face an election in 2012. With that out of the way, he'll do as he pleases. Plus he's a moron. The latest cluster-**** in Libya shows how his retarded far left ideology displaces common sense. The world is much too dangerous for us to double-down on a president who is clearly more naive and incompetent than Carter. Obama is a liar who freely spills state secrets for political gain and constructs elaborate fairy tales to cover his mistakes. At least with Bush you knew whose side he was on. Sometimes I get the impression Obama is pulling for our enemies. I'll take a chance with a brilliant businessman and former Governor who I know loves America over a failed and untrustworthy creep like Obama. And screw "For the first time in my adult life, I'm proud of America" Michelle too. Good riddance to the both of them. Want change? They can go back to rev wright's church and hate white people and America openly for a change.
With Obama you have had four years in which he has behaved himself knowing he will face an election in 2012. With that out of the way, he'll do as he pleases. Plus he's a moron. The latest cluster-**** in Libya shows how his retarded far left ideology displaces common sense. The world is far too dangerous for us to double-down on a president who is clearly more naive and incompetent than Carter. Obama is a liar who freely spills state secrets for political gain and constructs elaborate fairy tales to cover his mistakes. At least with Bush you knew whose side he was on. Sometimes I get the impression Obama is pulling for our enemies. I'll take a chance with a brilliant businessman and former Governor who I know loves America over a failed and untrustworthy creep like Obama. And screw "For the first time in my adult life, I'm proud of America" Michelle too. Good riddance to the both of them. Want change? They can go back to rev wright's church and hate white people and America openly for a change.
I was gonna type something out but yours says most of what I wanted to say!
Okay, I think I have a pretty good idea of what's happening.
Nearly everyone feels that Obama has done a dismal job, so the people aren't so much voting for Romney as much as they are voting against Obama, and seeing as how Romney is the only other kid on the block the people haven't got much choice but to vote for him in order to get Obama out of office and give someone else a chance---and all this despite not really having a clear picture of how Romney intends to solve the problems Obama was unable or unwilling to solve.
So, again it was having to choose the lesser of two evils and the people saw Romney as the lesser of the two evils.
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What Romney will do differently
but this is the type of response to be expected from the right wingers.
