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Boys vandalize bathrooms. Girls very rarely do. That is a fact of life. That is why the boys bathrooms have been removed in most the schools to which I have been.
I think that the measures the OP cites are about being able to control the student body. Yes, some control measures also have the unfortunate side-effect of also being humiliating to the majority of students who don't act out.
To answer that broader question, yes schools still struggle a lot with balancing freedom and control. IMO some schools go so far with their distrust of students that they create a depressing and humiliating environment in which it's hard for students to feel good about themselves or happy. Though, a lot of people might say, "So what? School isn't a party; it's where you get work done," there is ample research that students don't learn well when they feel threatened, humiliated, and/or unhappy.
Boys vandalize bathrooms. Girls very rarely do. That is a fact of life. That is why the boys bathrooms have been removed in most the schools to which I have been.
That's like saying women have money for sex. Nice generalization there.
I think that the measures the OP cites are about being able to control the student body. Yes, some control measures also have the unfortunate side-effect of also being humiliating to the majority of students who don't act out.
To answer that broader question, yes schools still struggle a lot with balancing freedom and control. IMO some schools go so far with their distrust of students that they create a depressing and humiliating environment in which it's hard for students to feel good about themselves or happy. Though, a lot of people might say, "So what? School isn't a party; it's where you get work done," there is ample research that students don't learn well when they feel threatened, humiliated, and/or unhappy.
The problem is, until a certain age, you are FORCED to be there. You have no choice, you MUST go. it's compulsory. So then if they humiliating y ou in something you are forced to do, it brings up badges of slavery or violations of the 13th amendment.
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As for breaking rules, I am all for kids testing their boundaries and testing authority as long as they also accept the consequences for such actions. Who would actually want a bunch of non-thinking, non-questioning, automatons for children?
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The problem is, until a certain age, you are FORCED to be there. You have no choice, you MUST go. it's compulsory. So then if they humiliating y ou in something you are forced to do, it brings up badges of slavery or violations of the 13th amendment.
Of course minors have rights. There is no age exemption to civil rights that is silly.
Schools also have rights too and the balancing of the needs of the entire population vs. the rights of the individual is what causes issues like these.
There is no age exemption to civil rights that is silly.
21 to drink, 18 to vote/smoke, 16 to drive, and age limit to bear arms. Those are age exempted civil rights. Minors are deemed by law to be mentally incompetent to sign legal documents by themselves. In a public school, you can be subjected to searches without permission. You are controlled in what you can see (movies), read (banned books), and classes (parents can prohibit you from sex education). And even if you attend that sex ed class and slept through it, you're likely not able to get that abortion without parental consent, since you have no right to make that decision by yourself.
That's like saying women have money for sex. Nice generalization there.
No. Those two situations are nothing alike. Thanks for playing though.
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