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What no one here really admists is that the entrance to the NYC specialized high schools is just a totally terrible way to choose students, regardless or any racial factor. I've said this a few times in the NYC forums and I'll say it here again:
Not a single other elite public high schoolin America chooses its student body SOLELY on one test, with no regard for any other criteria. Not a one. All consider something else--grades, socio-economic status, recommendations, obstacles overcome, etc. NYC is the only place where you can be a flaming a**hole and still attend the top school because you aced a test. Every other elite public high schoolin the nation has long since realized that picking students only on teh basis of one test is a crock.
And of course, no elite college in America has such rigid admissions criteria either. Harvard and Yale, for example, turn down plenty of kids with perfect SAT scores every year because they know that there are lower-scoring students who would be better studnts, add more to the campus, and might be likely to go on to great things after graduation.
The tragedy is that people's racial hysteria has blinded them to the fact that NYC just has a lousy way of picking kids for their top public high schools. A more holistic admissions process would garner both smart, academically talented kids AND racially diversify the student body. But that would mean that admissions committees would have to make subjective choices and in the current atmosphere, they're afraid to do that and to be held accounrtable. (And no one has the cojones to lobby for repeal of the state law that mandates the use of ONLY test scores for admissions)It's a shame that this cowardice is preventing NYC's top high schools from becoming the best they could be.
This. Exactly.
And I went to one of those high schools. I scored high on the test. But it's not a great way to pick kids.
^^^ This. Yes, it's that simple. In the real world, not everyone gets in, nor gets a trophy.
(PS - Stuyvesant High School here!!!)
Stuyvesant is not even in the same league as Brearley... (only a sample size of two here) But this is not a p*ssing contest. And yes, Stuyvesant is a good school.
Stuyvesant is not even in the same league as Brearley... (only a sample size of two here) But this is not a p*ssing contest. And yes, Stuyvesant is a good school.
Brearly is a PRIVATE school. It's also a girls school. It's tuition is around $35,000 per year. It's student faculty ratio is 6 to 1. So you cannot compare the two schools. I have no idea what the admissions criteria are, but they claim to be committed to diversity as well as academic excellence.
Brearly is a PRIVATE school. It's also a girls school. It's tuition is around $35,000 per year. It's student faculty ratio is 6 to 1. So you cannot compare the two schools. I have no idea what the admissions criteria are, but they claim to be committed to diversity as well as academic excellence.
You are correct. If you can't pay, you can't play. Wait to they hit college (at a decent school). Then virtually double that amount. Of course I can compare the two... they are just in different leagues. As (I was) a hiring manager, if you weren't the best... circular file for the resume. Nothing personal, just the facts, and how reality and business works. JMHO.
You are correct. If you can't pay, you can't play. Wait to they hit college (at a decent school). Then virtually double that amount. Of course I can compare the two... they are just in different leagues. As (I was) a hiring manager, if you weren't the best... circular file for the resume. Nothing personal, just the facts, and how reality and business works. JMHO.
I would imagine that individual students not the school makes one student the best for a particular business need.
You are correct. If you can't pay, you can't play. Wait to they hit college (at a decent school). Then virtually double that amount. Of course I can compare the two... they are just in different leagues. As (I was) a hiring manager, if you weren't the best... circular file for the resume. Nothing personal, just the facts, and how reality and business works. JMHO.
Sample size and situation will help credibility, please. Our interviews used to take an entire day (unless, as you say a 'bomb' is detected, and it is over by lunchtime.)
I was reading an interesting article about how a majority of the students getting into the elite PUBLIC High Schools in New York City (as well as elsewhere) are now mostly Asian. The main way the students can get into these schools- with their extremely challenging academics- is by scoring very highly in a standardized tests.
The Asian students who want to get into these elite High Schools will study 12-14 hours a day and take all kinds of prep classes to help them score high on the tests. FREE prep classes are available for Black and Hispanic students but they rarely enroll. Their advocates say they should be allowed to get into these elite PUBLIC High Schools based on their grades or teacher recommendations even if they score poorly on the entrance tests. Critics say that a good GPA or strong recommendations by teachers from a poor middle school does not really show they are strong enough students to survive the elite High School's academics. The percentage of students who are White is dropping also as many white students can't compete with the Asians who study 14 hours a day.
Critics say that if you let Non Asian students who score below the mean on the entrance tests they will have to lower academic standards and the elite students will suffer. But other critics say it is not fair to only let kids in who score well on the test. What do you think?
I had forgotten what the OP was after reading many posts about post college hiring. Let's see if we can back to the OP please and keep comments a bit less snippy please. Not picking on any particular posters.
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