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I have had land in Honduras for 11 years. I do plan on moving there but, I have had that plan a long time. I am building a resort. Be very careful if you plan to leave the US!!! Forget life as you know it. There is very little real regulations. The local government has little real authority. You will pay "green money bribes". You will get nothing done without paying it. You will pay the Mara Saluatrusha, MS/13 street gang. Things move slow. It is not a trade of space, it is a trade of culture. If you can't adjust, you will not make it and I do not mean you will be back. I am sure someone will say they have been there and did not see that. No, as a tourist you will not. When you own land and have a business things change, when you live there things change.
At the risk of making you all mad, what the heck is wrong with you? You want to leave the country becuase of this finacial stuff? Perhaps I'm an annommoly. I make under 40K a year and I'm just FINE! I closed on a house two months ago and have no issues affording gas of food. Don't blame this country for your financial woes. If you can't afford things stop overextending yourself! Create a frickin' budget.
Stop watching the news. The media will have you believe credit is frozen, mortgages can't be had, etc. That's all a bunch of exhagerations! For the average American, at least everyone I know, they are still fine... nothing like the news make it sound.
Do you think things are perfect in other countries?
Listen-up- every country has it's problems. Every country on Earth. Our media just likes to sensationalize ours!
Move, see how that works for you. If you don't want to be here, get the hell out. See ya! Good ridance!
Perhaps Americans in general should vote. Ask 5 people today who they are voting for and then ask them why. Most vote for who their parents vote for or who they think is cool. Ask them which candidates stance on defense they like. Ask them to tell you exactly what the bail-out calls for. Ask them which candidates health care plan they like best and why. Ask them who has the greatest tax policies and what they think those tax policies will do for our country?
Most people just want their taxes cut, no matter the cost to the country. Well, when the country sucks and has no programs, you know why. Not cuz of the government, cuz of the people.
If citizens vote, but don't vote for the right reasons and don't vote as INFORMED voters they have no one to blame but themselves.
How many of you have read propasals written by Obama or McCain? How many of you have looked at the voting records instead of hearsay rhetoric? How many of you understand that when candidate X votes against a measure to increase funds for troops it's because they could be holding out for the next bill which increases them even more... but the news won't tell you that! You have to do the research.
This country is NOT CONTROLLED BY POLITIANS!! It is controlled by voters. The problem is that voters don't take responsibility.
If you are so unhappy, what have you done about it? Sit around and hope it fixes itself? I suppose you've called your congressmen and senators? I bet you've written letters with your requests on pending legislation? I bet you even know the names of your representatives and are familiar with pending legislation.
Stop complaining and do something.
If you've done all of the above, than my appologies for assuming you haven't. But let's face it. 95% of Americans couldn't even figure out how to write to their representatives of figure out how to read pending legislation... but they'll be the first to b-i-t-c-h when they don't like the outcomes.
NO! Trust me there is a big difference to being on holiday and living in one of these socialist 3rd world countries! The USA is the best place in the world! I am a immigrant myself and I know what it is like to live in a place that does not function as well as the USA. I have extensive experience in international travel and trust me the USA offers a lot. People must put their hands together and work through the current problems. Stop complaining and get to work. The government owes you nothing.
My move is something I have bee planning for years. It is my "retirement job". I know the area and how to prosper there. It is not something I am going into blindly. It is 25 acers, with a HUGE amount of it on a white sand ocean beach.
NO! Trust me there is a big difference to being on holiday and living in one of these socialist 3rd world countries! The USA is the best place in the world! I am a immigrant myself and I know what it is like to live in a place that does not function as well as the USA. I have extensive experience in international travel and trust me the USA offers a lot. People must put their hands together and work through the current problems. Stop complaining and get to work. The government owes you nothing.
NO! Trust me there is a big difference to being on holiday and living in one of these socialist 3rd world countries! The USA is the best place in the world! I am a immigrant myself and I know what it is like to live in a place that does not function as well as the USA. I have extensive experience in international travel and trust me the USA offers a lot. People must put their hands together and work through the current problems. Stop complaining and get to work. The government owes you nothing.
I agree with this post. I have traveled and worked in a few countries outside the US. Many times when returning I thought 'the first thing I do when getting off the plane at OHare was to kiss the ground and give thanks that I live in America. Its far from perfect but its much better than any other place Ive visited.'
Agree with the above sentiments to stay in the U.S. Living and working abroad is a wonderful experience, and I'm very grateful for the four years I was able to live overseas, but leaving the U.S. simply to run away from something - real or imagined - will cause problems for you in the end.
If you were to leave, your choices are limited to the following:
2nd and 3rd world countries with booming economies but terrible infrastructure, pollution and other quality of life issues. Governments can't be relied upon for anything in these countries, and one must often pay every step of the way for anything to get done. Very little value for money spent.
Europe, Canada and the rest of the 1st world. Despite the dollar's recent rise, it is still historically weak with respect to these countries' currencies, so unless you can secure revenue in Euros or other stronger currency, be prepared to be in a difficult position financially. Taxes are generally quite a bit higher as well. The upside is that infrastructure is generally much better than in the U.S. and certain quality of life issues as well.
You could go to the places like Panama and Honduras, but you better have a ton of cash and/or a guaranteed revenue stream to make it worth your while. Preferably both.
Agree with the above sentiments to stay in the U.S. Living and working abroad is a wonderful experience, and I'm very grateful for the four years I was able to live overseas, but leaving the U.S. simply to run away from something - real or imagined - will cause problems for you in the end.
If you were to leave, your choices are limited to the following:
2nd and 3rd world countries with booming economies but terrible infrastructure, pollution and other quality of life issues. Governments can't be relied upon for anything in these countries, and one must often pay every step of the way for anything to get done. Very little value for money spent.
Europe, Canada and the rest of the 1st world. Despite the dollar's recent rise, it is still historically weak with respect to these countries' currencies, so unless you can secure revenue in Euros or other stronger currency, be prepared to be in a difficult position financially. Taxes are generally quite a bit higher as well. The upside is that infrastructure is generally much better than in the U.S. and certain quality of life issues as well.
You could go to the places like Panama and Honduras, but you better have a ton of cash and/or a guaranteed revenue stream to make it worth your while. Preferably both.
I brought this topic up for intellectual discussion-- not because any of us are packing our bags. I brought it up, because people are quick to bash the wealthy, without recognizing what their wealth provides. I don't know what everybody considers "wealthy," but about 20% of the taxpayers pay 80% of the taxes in the U.S. The well-to-do subsidize those less well-off. Infrastructure, education, conserving our environment-- all that is subsidized by the top 20%, with a disproportionate part subsidized by the top 5%. Without them and their tax dollars, we wouldn't have many things we take for granted.
No matter how much we talk about democracy, America is a class society. The masses may complain and blame, but they're being subsidized by those at the top of the economic pyramid. Without those top tax dollars and philanthropic contributions, we'd live in a far different world, with a quality of life few of us would find desirable. As chuck22b points out, the wealthy are mobile and have means. If they get pissed off enough, they'll leave. They're already leaving. Much of their money is already safe in foreign banks, with earning power surpassing the dollar. They shop in foreign stores. They're buying second homes on foreign soil and vacation there for longer and longer periods. They're finding an enjoyable, less expensive lifestyle outside America.
Think how it would be with crumbling roads, poor schools, polluted water and smog-choked air. Think how much lower- and middle-class taxes would buy and how much we spend. Think about all that debt-- hundreds of trillions of it and climbing every day. Add up how much all of these shared resources cost and compare it with how much you pay in. If you make less than six figures, you're going to come up short, perhaps way short. Someone's subsidizing you. Still feel like saying, "Go ahead and leave." I don't.
I agree with this post. I have traveled and worked in a few countries outside the US. Many times when returning I thought 'the first thing I do when getting off the plane at OHare was to kiss the ground and give thanks that I live in America. Its far from perfect but its much better than any other place Ive visited.'
I agree too, having visited over 30 foreign countries myself. I don't care if it's percieved as the best run country in Europe, you start talking to the people that live there in these other countries to know how good we got it in in the U.S. in terms of freedom and quality of life. There is no where as great as living in the U.S. Most of the people answering otherwise have never been anywhere else, probably don't own a passport, they are clueless.
Oh...and I am still waiting for all the people that said "if Bush gets re-elected I will move out of this country...". Not that I'm a Bush fan, but the sentiment is the same.
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