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Old 12-20-2019, 11:22 AM
 
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The research has already shown that active individuals such as himself can consume 100g of sugar a day and have no change in health markers. I don't believe that long term sugar consumption at that level would be a health issue. But if you could come up with some convincing evidence I would change my mind.
Right, with active being the important word here. And being young helps.


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How would you explain the cultures in tropical climates thriving on diets of up to 90% carbohydrates?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16794446

Were thriving. I wonder what they're eating now?

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The Kuna Indians of Panama are free of hypertension and cardiovascular disease, but this is changing with migration to urban areas.
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These cultures rely on sugary fruits. In fact, honey is the favorite food of the Hadza from Tanzania.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19350623


Yes, and they have to build a fire in order to smoke out the bees to access the honey; in other words, do physical work. Their lives are centered around being active.


Hadzabe bushmen collecting honey from a tree in Tanzania

(And apparently they enjoy smoking hand-rolled cigarettes, lol. From about 00:50.)


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Nobody is advocating that excess consumption of carbs and sugar alone is good. At the end of the day if you eat a well balanced diet with fruits/veggies, whole foods, protein, and fiber you can still have carbs and sugar in your diet as long as you keep your consumption within moderation and still live a healthy life.
I agree. It's just that in the modern western world people consume processed carbohydrates which can have a lot more calories along with less nutrients and fiber than plain fruit and tubers.
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Old 12-20-2019, 11:37 AM
 
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He looks pretty buff and exercises a lot probably. He may not be fat, what about his organ health, his gut flora health.
Are you suggesting that sugar affects organ health? If he's eating a balanced diet with fruits and vegetables and getting the right amount of fiber I don't think he's going to have organ issues.

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But anyhow, this thread is meant with the idea of all else being equal.

So if you compare this buff chiseled dude with another buff chiseled dude, who be healthier: the one who eats sugar, or the one who doesnt?
There would be no difference in health markers.

11 grams versus 118 grams.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9094871

10 grams versus 100 grams

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/28330706/
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Old 12-20-2019, 12:18 PM
 
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Right, with active being the important word here. And being young helps.
Exactly my point entire point. Sugar does not need to be completely avoided and is not always bad if your overall diet is nutritious. Context and dosage.

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Were thriving. I wonder what they're eating now?
Probably alot more calories in the form of fried foods.

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I agree. It's just that in the modern western world people consume processed carbohydrates which can have a lot more calories along with less nutrients and fiber than plain fruit and tubers.
I would add that it's just not the refined carbs but also the access to high refined fats. A combination of both is what causes increases in caloric intake.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...4/figure/fig1/
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Old 12-20-2019, 01:01 PM
 
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I would add that it's just not the refined carbs but also the access to high refined fats. A combination of both is what causes increases in caloric intake.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...4/figure/fig1/
Yuck! Those poor study mice.
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Old 12-20-2019, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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Well this is severely depressing:

https://news.yahoo.com/study-nearly-....tsrc=newsroom
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Old 12-20-2019, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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I'm going to do everything I can to avoid being one of 'em.
If I fail, it'll be because I got beat by a health issue beyond my control, not because I didn't put in the effort.
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Old 12-20-2019, 08:23 PM
 
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And there you go folks, straight from the article. ”health experts say Americans eat more food high in CALORIES”.

Not sugar or carbs make you fat. Excess calories make you fat.
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Old 12-21-2019, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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And there you go folks, straight from the article. ”health experts say Americans eat more food high in CALORIES”.

Not sugar or carbs make you fat. Excess calories make you fat.
Extra calories from modern wheat and high fructose corn syrup make people fat. Avoid those and the majority of processed and fast foods and people would have no weight problems at all for the most part.
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Old 12-22-2019, 11:35 AM
 
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Extra calories from modern wheat and high fructose corn syrup make people fat.
So are you saying that if someone were to consume the same amount of calories but exclude modern wheat and HFCS from their diet they wouldn't gain fat?

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Avoid those and the majority of processed and fast foods and people would have no weight problems at all for the most part.
For the most part, fructose and modern wheat consumed in gross chronic excess can lead to problems.

While there have been dozens of studies showing that moderate fruit intake will not lead to obesity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...?dopt=Abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047139
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996880

Again dose and context.
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Old 12-22-2019, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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So are you saying that if someone were to consume the same amount of calories but exclude modern wheat and HFCS from their diet they wouldn't gain fat?


For the most part, fructose and modern wheat consumed in gross chronic excess can lead to problems.

While there have been dozens of studies showing that moderate fruit intake will not lead to obesity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...?dopt=Abstract
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047139
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996880

Again dose and context.
Yes, I did look over those sources. The crux of the issue I have is that organization would also agree with the mainstream recommendations of the food plate that leads to far too much consumption of grains and carbohydrates for an increasingly sedentary population that has more indoor office type of jobs. I don’t eat much food in any significant quantity when I’m at work sitting much of the time. The exponential growth curve of obesity started in the mid 1980’s when the composition of all wheat consumed in the US changed, research Norman Borlaug, Green Revolution. The new wheat is a semi-dwarf high yield plant, but with a much larger seed head and high gluten content. This has had severely negative deleterious impacts related to healthcare costs in the US and it really is startling to me why so many people can’t connect the dots.
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