Southwestern Detroit neighborhood to be demolished (Wayne, Ecorse: for sale, renters, new home)

[Retroit]

Oh, the irony and hypocrisy is killing me!

1. That refinery has been there since 1930 (ref: Detroit, Michigan), longer than almost everyone living there. So for people to complain about the pollution leads me to ask: what did you expect from living near a refinery? It's not like it's a big secret that there is a refinery there.
2. People complain that their health is being negatively effected, yet now that they are being provided an opportunity to live in a cleaner area they don't want to?
3. If people love that area so much, then they can use their buyout money to buy another house in an adjacent area.
4. Many people in that area, in Detroit, in the region, and elsewhere would love to be able to sell their house on those terms.
5. Detroiters complain about businesses packing up and leaving, yet here is a business making a long-term commitment and people are still complaining.
6. If you think this is a problem, just wait until the state starts building its bridge and has to confiscate property.

A lot of the comments in the article are based on unfounded fears:

1. "lest Marathon's offers decrease in price drastically once their neighbors have left" (basis for this?)
2. "nervous about negotiating prices for their real estate with Marathon" (terms are fairly clear and reasonable)
3. "the area is starting to look starker...With vacancy comes crime" (so they are concerned about crimes against Marathon, who will be the owners of said "vacant" properties?)
4. "Residents we spoke to said the could not afford and had not engaged lawyers." (have they ever thought of pooling their money to hire one?)
5. "What was once a populated area is being taken over by blight and scrappers are moving in." (funny how this just started happening - I don't think so!)
6. "Interested home buyers from Brooklyn New York cancelled their plans to move to Detroit." (yeah, right, this was the only place they could possibly have moved to)
7. "Neighbors worry about road access to zone two getting bad and..." (I doubt that Marathon is going to close off the road access to their homes)
8. "... have already noticed the local police have become unresponsive to their calls." (is this new?)
9. "The word is out that this is a 'dead zone.' Investment is gone. Robberies and graffiti are back." (Watch out for the "word" - it's gonna getch you!)
10. "Long-time residents that fought hard against crime in the area ten years ago feel defeated, as if it was all for nothing." (well, then use your expertise at reducing crime in the next place you live)
11. " he no longer feels safe walking between houses after dark" (is there any place in Detroit that would not apply?)

Simply put: a lot of exaggerations, illogical thinking, and fear mongering.

In response to the question "In what world is it acceptable for a government to provide security to a private factory?" Answer: in a world where terrorists target private property and not just public property.

[Tyveker]

Oh Retroit, you dangle the carrot only to rip it back last minute. You write something coherent, and then this. Again, did you read these articles? A lot of the "basis-less" issues you adduce are given basis. One instance (it's easy to see where this conversation is going, so hopefully brevity will prevent the eternally recurrent themes from popping back up; no need to argue): the fact that if everyone in zone 1 is first relocated, the neighborhood will be of such low population and poor quality that property values will decrease even more. Subsequently, Marathon can easily (and probably) change their offering price, of which they have yet to make to zone 2.

Of course, you accuse these people of fearmongering and then don't recognize that this is the crux of why you yourself argue. Which is why you so frequently become sententious:

"In response to the question "In what world is it acceptable for a government to provide security to a private factory?" Answer: in a world where terrorists target private property and not just public property."

No. The likelihood of a terrorist attacking Zug Island is very low. It is not iconic, it has no symbolic value (except for residents of Delray and Detroit, perhaps, though many Detroiters know little about it), and absolutely no international attention is given to it. Logistically it wouldn't make sense. Logistically what does make sense is that the private corporation has defended its perceived right to pollute by using public services, which, from any angle, is unethical.

[Retroit]

Originally Posted by Tyveker

No. The likelihood of a terrorist attacking Zug Island is very low. It is not iconic, it has no symbolic value (except for residents of Delray and Detroit, perhaps, though many Detroiters know little about it), and absolutely no international attention is given to it. Logistically it wouldn't make sense. Logistically what does make sense is that the private corporation has defended its perceived right to pollute by using public services, which, from any angle, is unethical.

How do you know that Zug Island is not a secret governmental biological warfare laboratory?

...or maybe not so secret.

[Tyveker]

If it is, then our government should be held accountable for doing something deeply unethical and fundamentally contrary to democracy.

But Zug Island isn't. Sandia National Labs in Albuquerque does that.

[MS313]

Just a few questions?
what the hell are they trying to build that is THAT big???
And if something is THAT big... that could only mean it offers alot of what Detroit needs most JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS!!!
But then, as posted earlier, why can't they go to some other neighborhood that's already nearly empty like Brightmore or something
But then again, it might come off as an awful smell and no one wants the westside or the eastside of Detroit to smell like Gary, IN.
BUT, that might encourage people to repopulate the city core outside of the downtown and midtown areas if they started building houses over there and suggesting they move there.
BUT, that could also backfire and it might just provoke them to move to the other side of 8 Mile, Telegraph, or Ford road. Especially since some of the neighborhoods outside of downtown are not attractive at all. They should do what Chicago did in some of it's neighborhoods right outside of downtown, tare the unused stuff down and build dense urban condo's and lofts ect as they go along. Although some of them are still kind of empty, their building it up over there.

[animatedmartian]

Originally Posted by MarvinStrong313

Just a few questions?
what the hell are they trying to build that is THAT big???
And if something is THAT big... that could only mean it offers alot of what Detroit needs most JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS JOBS!!!
But then, as posted earlier, why can't they go to some other neighborhood that's already nearly empty like Brightmore or something
But then again, it might come off as an awful smell and no one wants the westside or the eastside of Detroit to smell like Gary, IN.
BUT, that might encourage people to repopulate the city core outside of the downtown and midtown areas if they started building houses over there and suggesting they move there.
BUT, that could also backfire and it might just provoke them to move to the other side of 8 Mile, Telegraph, or Ford road. Especially since some of the neighborhoods outside of downtown are not attractive at all. They should do what Chicago did in some of it's neighborhoods right outside of downtown, tare the unused stuff down and build dense urban condo's and lofts ect as they go along. Although some of them are still kind of empty, their building it up over there.

Well for one, a lot of these people getting moved don't have a lot of money and/or depend on assistance to get them by. So if they move near downtown, they'd most likely be gentrified right back out.

Two, Detroit HOUP: Marathon Detroit Michigan Pipeline Construction and Land Use. It has to be connected to the main refinery or else it wouldn't be an expansion.

Three, some interesting photos of residents and refinery.

[313Weather]

That's more people who will no longer call Detroit their home. I would also bet there were a fair amount of white and hispanic people living in this neighborhood too.

Then if the planned expansion fails to go through at the end of the day, we'll have another St. Cyril "neighborhood", or another "neighborhood" like that one SE of St. Jean and Jefferson (Lycaste, Hilger, Glover, Edlie, Hart, Terminal, etc.).

Ho-hum. As Chrysler says, "It's What We Do."

Then of course I heard about the crap City Council proposed today.

*Sigh*

Chicago looks better and better everyday.

[MS313]

Originally Posted by 313Weather

That's more people who will no longer call Detroit their home. I would also bet there were a fair amount of white and hispanic people living in this neighborhood too.

Then if the planned expansion fails to go through at the end of the day, we'll have another St. Cyril "neighborhood", or another "neighborhood" like that one SE of St. Jean and Jefferson (Lycaste, Hilger, Glover, Edlie, Hart, Terminal, etc.).

Ho-hum. As Chrysler says, "It's What We Do."

Then of course I heard about the crap City Council proposed today.

*Sigh*

Chicago looks better and better everyday.

He has a point.

BTW what the hell happened to the St. Cyril neighborhood??? I heard something was supposed to be there and they demolished most of the homes and then changed their mind. Resulted in leaving the neighborhood for dead, completely f*cked them over. Is that the real or whole story behind it???

[313Weather]

Originally Posted by MarvinStrong313

BTW what the hell happened to the St. Cyril neighborhood??? I heard something was supposed to be there and they demolished most of the homes and then changed their mind. Resulted in leaving the neighborhood for dead, completely f*cked them over. Is that the real or whole story behind it???

Pretty much.

[urbanliving99]

Looks like over 80% of homeowners have already agreed to sell - pointing more to the point this was just some disgruntled person.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...e-sold-to-make