Loss cause!! (Dayton, Kettering, Trotwood: real estate market, 2013, buying)

[SWOH]

^Great point, that's a personal attack from her to you.

Sorry I overlooked it. I guess yours just got more attention.

[weatherphotographer]

Originally Posted by OHKID

^Great point, that's a personal attack from her to you.

Sorry I overlooked it. I guess yours just got more attention.

Did you report it also?

[SWOH]

Fair is fair I guess, so yeah I'll do it. Sorry Amanda, but he is right. Either way weatherphotographer, let's discuss it further in PM's if you don't mind so we don't derail this pointless thread even further haha. The sooner this thing heads back down the page the happier I'll be.

[Amandarthegreat]

Originally Posted by OHKID

Fair is fair I guess, so yeah I'll do it. Sorry Amanda, but he is right. Either way weatherphotographer, let's discuss it further in PM's if you don't mind so we don't derail this pointless thread even further haha. The sooner this thing heads back down the page the happier I'll be.

That wasn't a personal attack; he doesn't know anything about the area since he neither lives, nor visits the area--that is a fact. He just comments on this stuff in an attempt to annoy me.

[Amandarthegreat]

Originally Posted by IDtheftV

Your constant personal attacks are really getting old. It's happening in thread after thread and post after post. Perhaps some fiber in your diet would help.

Exactly!

[Amandarthegreat]

Originally Posted by weatherphotographer

Amanda swears by it! Beautiful street with boarded up homes, hookers walking the "track" and shooting a plenty. How could you NOT love that?

That's not Salem; I posted a crime map site for you. Go talk to the police at the 5th District Precinct.

[Amandarthegreat]

Originally Posted by Dayton Sux

In the best of circumstances Salem Avenue would be a hard sell; a high-traffic noisy highway into the city. Who would want to live on it? In fact I'm surprised there still are people living on it and the whole street isn't boarded-up yet.

I think you can see that once upon a time the trend was conversions away from houses. Those (now vacant and overgrown) doctors offices and the nursing home in the midsection, near the Dayton View library, and the commercial and office conversions south between, say, North Avenue and the river...where they were tearing down houses and converting the land to things like the United Way, the welfare office, the car dealer, and so forth...

But that pretty much has stopped and the retail/commercial/office aspect of Salem is mostly going vacant... and what IS torn down (both houses, apartments and other stuff) stays that way...as in vacant lots.

In the last three months, one of those vacant officers has been torn down (my constituents want to turn it into a park), a new dentist's office has opened, and two houses have been converted into dormitories for the church on Salem (they have an urban ministry program opening up soon). Five Oaks is no longer considered an 'at-risk' neighborhood. The main problem is the N. Main Street corridor, which will be undergoing a massive beautification process (planters, clean-ups etc.). Over 25,000 people use the Salem Avenue corridor every day; trust me when I say that this has not gone unnoticed by either the city or investors.

For those that refuse to listen to the facts I present, please feel free to attend a priority board meeting of your choice or a meeting on the city level that discusses land use and housing.

[weatherphotographer]

Start razing the boarded up neighborhoods! Tired of hearing "We don't have the $$$ for it" excuse. I bet if the city made a good effort to do this, the feds would gladly chip in to match it. The key is, showing that they are serious about it!

[hensleya1]

Whether the actual crime rate is higher or not, that doesn't change the fact that I genuinely was on full-alert mode driving up Salem Avenue to get to Trotwood - looking out for riffraff in groups, riffraff acting suspiciously in cars, people trying to set up for insurance scams, making sure I leave enough room between me and in the car in front at red lights if I need to make a quick getaway, and so on. It's no Camden or OTR circa 2008, but it's not a good neighborhood by any stretch of the imagination.

Because the impression I got was that apart from a few buildings (synagogues if I recall correctly?) that were nicely maintained, the rest of the Salem Avenue corridor looked truly bombed out. I can't imagine anyone would want to live or invest their hard-earned money there.

[Dayton Sux]

Five Oaks is no longer considered an 'at-risk' neighborhood.

Hah....I could be snarky and say it had better not be since the mayor lives there. But maybe this means that the vacancy/foreclosure trend has abated in that area.

I have some familiarity with that area since I knew people and visited with people who lived there (Grafton and Squirrel Avenues), and used to go to meetings at that former Unitarian church every week, and also was involved with that AIDS drop-in center that was on Salem (I think the property was taken over by the Bahais), so I can say the area has declined since the early 1990s, when I was there a lot.

This summer I spent a sunny Saturday afternoon in Five Oaks, riding around the area on my bicycle, street by street, block by block, working my way north up the hills, as far the old Colonel White site and Ridgdale Avenue (had an aquiantance who used to live on Ridgedale), to get a sense of the place again, what it's like today.

I will be charitable and say it is a bad-block/good-block situation. Some blocks are ok (one had some sort of block party or yard sale going...Rockwood, maybe), others are turing ghetto, and others have pretty obviously declined (like Belmonte Park, unfortunatly...weeds growing through the brick street). And there was that incident where this guy (who was hanging with his buddies on a porch) saw me coming and walked out in the street and started shouting at me. Had no idea what that was about.....never happened to me before. And, yes, there are still board-ups and vacancies scattered around...

So yeah, Salem Avenue and surrounding areas. Pretty iffy, IMO, from I've seen last summer at least.