Dallas makes the list - 8th worst place to work? (Cleveland: transplants, real estate)

[DWong]

Comments? Agree/disagree?

America's Most and Least Favorite Cities: Where Americans Do—and Don't—Want to Work and Live - BusinessWeek

[txhawk36]

I don't understand what kind of survey they did, did they do two totally different surveys? Some of the cities are in both categories, so which is it, is it most want to or most don't want to?

[aceplace]

These lists are basically meaningless garbage, with no statistical value.

The only statistics that matter are the US Census numbers on migration between metros and counties. In that kind of measure, DFW is one of the top metros for migration, only beaten by Atlanta and Phoenix.

In other words, if yyou want to find out what cities are popular with migrants, measure the number of people who actually move.

That's how DFW accumulated close to 7 million people and became the 4th largest USA metro... people are willing to move here, and people who are here are more reluctant to leave.

DFW has a net influx of migrants seeking a better life. Los Angeles, by contrast, has many more people moving away than Americans moving in. Americans think it's a hellhole. If you're an impoverished 3rd world immigrant, however, it's probably a step up.

[aceplace]

Report: Texas attracts most relocations

From the Dallas Business Journal:

"Texas has taken its place as the No. 1 destination state for residential relocations for the fourth year in a row, according to Allied Van Lines’ 41st Annual Magnet States Report."

Report: Texas attracts most relocations - Dallas Business Journal:

[kacvb1974]

We're sandwiched 9th between Cleveland and Miami? Ooookay. But I see the study was commissioned by a D.C. think tank so that may be why I find these rankings a bit wonky. Though it is interesting that 49% of the respondents found our 'people' the most negative aspect of Dallas. None of the other supposedly worst cities listed that as a negative.

Whether it's the Gray Lady recommending Dallas' art district as internationally compelling or BusinessWeek reporting we're kinda icky, I find these kinds of lists more head scratchers than particularly useful. Though if the survey had presented a ringing endorsement for Dallas as the #1 spot, I have to wonder if the 'Dallas has it all' folks would have thought they got it absolutely right.

[DWong]

Originally Posted by txhawk36

I don't understand what kind of survey they did, did they do two totally different surveys? Some of the cities are in both categories, so which is it, is it most want to or most don't want to?

Quite simple actually. Get 500 people to name the city they would most want to work, also the city they would least like to work.
LA/Chi/NYC are a love hate place that most can understand. You either love it or hate.

[DWong]

Originally Posted by aceplace

Report: Texas attracts most relocations

From the Dallas Business Journal:

"Texas has taken its place as the No. 1 destination state for residential relocations for the fourth year in a row, according to Allied Van Lines’ 41st Annual Magnet States Report."

Report: Texas attracts most relocations - Dallas Business Journal:

Absolutely! 95% of Americans work and don't have a treasure chest of cash in their homes. People need to make a living and NOWHERE else in the country gives you a better chance than TX. Abundant jobs and low cost of living are the reasons why most people who aren't wealthy relocate. It's not the weather or beautiful scenery, it's A job and even more so if you have a family to feed.

[DWong]

Originally Posted by kacvb1974

We're sandwiched 9th between Cleveland and Miami? Ooookay. But I see the study was commissioned by a D.C. think tank so that may be why I find these rankings a bit wonky. Though it is interesting that 49% of the respondents found our 'people' the most negative aspect of Dallas. None of the other supposedly worst cities listed that as a negative.

Whether it's the Gray Lady recommending Dallas' art district as internationally compelling or BusinessWeek reporting we're kinda icky, I find these kinds of lists more head scratchers than particularly useful. Though if the survey had presented a ringing endorsement for Dallas as the #1 spot, I have to wonder if the 'Dallas has it all' folks would have thought they got it absolutely right.

I think it was the "Don't Mess with TX" attitude that maybe rubbed some the wrong way. Unlike most states, you don't get that pride that you get in TX. Maybe it was the everything is "Bigger" thing too. Most Metros in the country, you live in small homes and have small cars (some NO car). DFW is the EXACT opposite.

[killer2021]

I agree with the survey. For most people they want some place with decent climate, great nightlife, lots of culture etc. Most of the texas metros don't offer that compared to LA, NY, SF etc.

The only thing Texas has to offer is low cost of living and plenty of jobs, obviously a direct result of people not wanting to move here. Personally those two attributes are exactly why I want to move to Texas.

If everyone wanted to live in Texas guess what would happen? Real estate boom, overcrowding, and high unemployment.

I think it was the "Don't Mess with TX" attitude that maybe rubbed some the wrong way.

It is like that with any large metro area: NY and people from LA have it A LOT.

Absolutely! 95% of Americans work and don't have a treasure chest of cash in their homes. People need to make a living and NOWHERE else in the country gives you a better chance than TX. Abundant jobs and low cost of living are the reasons why most people who aren't wealthy relocate. It's not the weather or beautiful scenery, it's A job and even more so if you have a family to feed.

Exactly right. I think the main difference is that people in LA, NY, SF etc have more of a live for the day mentality where as people in TX more of a plan for the future. In SF, NY etc making 60k, paying 2,000/month rent, skyhigh taxes and so on you can't really save for the future, have a paid off home or anything like that. In Texas with a 40-50k salary you could probably pay off your home in 5-10 years if you focused on that.

[DWong]

Originally Posted by killer2021

I agree with the survey. For most people they want some place with decent climate, great nightlife, lots of culture etc. Most of the texas metros don't offer that compared to LA, NY, SF etc.

The only thing Texas has to offer is low cost of living and plenty of jobs, obviously a direct result of people not wanting to move here. Personally those two attributes are exactly why I want to move to Texas.

If everyone wanted to live in Texas guess what would happen? Real estate boom, overcrowding, and high unemployment.



It is like that with any large metro area: NY and people from LA have it A LOT.

I would have to say, LA and San Diego are full of transients. Not many people if any that I work with or neighbors are actually natives. Unlike, TX esp the larger cities, many are born and raised and have that sense of pride. I don't like people coming from the central valley in CA claiming LA or people from up north (lots of Chi transplants) doing the same.

But yes, people have and always will moves to TX for low cost of living and jobs...