09-21-2021, 08:21 AM
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As the population of North Texas is expected to grow by another million and a half people or so during the next decade, rather than shut it down, would Neiman Marcus be smart to relocate the department store now anchoring the struggling Shops at Willow Bend to that of the Galleria Dallas? The Galleria Dallas is the last remaining mall in an area that once had four located in close proximity to each other. The scale of the popular mall - it gets 19 million visitors a year - should continue shooting upwards. Also factor in the Midway Dallas development just now getting under way. The Galleria still has some luxury stores based in it and a Nordstrom department store.
09-21-2021, 10:09 AM
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(Hines invested $400,000,000 in what would become known as The Dallas Galleria when it was completed in 1982. To give you an idea, that was the same amount that Caroline Rose Hunt invested in her Uptown Crescent masterpiece in 1986. I have always taken for granted what is today called the Galleria Dallas. Hines expected big things from it however. It is conveniently located to three airports these being DFW, Love Field, and the Addison general airports.)
09-21-2021, 10:27 AM
Location: Wylie, Texas
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I would bet money on Stonebriar to become number 2 eventually. That West Plano/Frisco/Prosper corridor should keep growing and booming with affluent residents flooding in. Stonebriar is a big part of the reason Willow Bend is struggling now.
09-21-2021, 10:36 AM
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I would bet money on Stonebriar to become number 2 eventually. That West Plano/Frisco/Prosper corridor should keep growing and booming with affluent residents flooding in. Stonebriar is a big part of the reason Willow Bend is struggling now.
Willow Bend opened as a luxury destination mall a few years before the 2008 financial crisis. Pretty much killed it’s potential.
Stonebriar has zero luxury (even MICHAEL Kors couldn’t hack it there and left as soon as their original lease ended) and is no way a competitor to NorthPark / what Willow Bend wanted to be. Legacy West is emerging as a luxury destination as LV pulled out of Neiman’s WB, plus Chanel Beaute, Gucci & Tiffany all opened there.
Galleria is kind a step between NorthPark and Stonebriar. It makes no sense for Neiman to relocate there as the luxury clientelle is going to NorthPark or Highland Park Village. That’s why Neiman left Prestonwood to move to Willow Bend in the first place. Then there is an emerging luxury market on the Plano / Frisco border.
Galleria is what it is.
09-21-2021, 11:07 AM
Location: Houston, TX
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Whats interesting to me is that the Galleria in Houston and the one in Dallas serve different purposes. The Galleria in Houston is more like NorthPark since thats where our luxury brands tend to congregate. The Galleria in Dallas tends to have a more middle class vibe to it.
09-21-2021, 11:20 AM
Location: Wylie, Texas
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Willow Bend opened as a luxury destination mall a few years before the 2008 financial crisis. Pretty much killed it’s potential.
Well, SOMEONE is going to target that Frisco/Plano section as the wealth keeps going up over that way. It makes sense that the luxury market would grow as well. I forgot about Legacy West. But yeah, either a mall or perhaps something else will emerge to service that part of the region that doesnt want to have to drive all the way down to Northpark. Michael Kors may not have worked out years ago when they first came up there, but Frisco has grown massively since then. I suspect the market has as well.
I frankly dont get the logic of the Galleria as a high end mall. If I'm a high brow shopper from Frisco. I've already driven over half an hour to get to Dallas. What's an extra 10 minutes more to get to Northpark which would have the bigger/wider/better selections?
09-21-2021, 11:30 AM
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What's an extra 10 minutes more to get to Northpark which would have the bigger/wider/better selections?
Agree with this. Northpark and The Galleria are way too close together. WillowBend is dead meat, StoneBriar isn't even 30 minutes from NorthPark, it's 25 minutes in regular traffic. Grapevine Mills is barely 30 minutes away. Legacy West is coming along, but it's so new it's hard to judge.
09-21-2021, 03:41 PM
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Well, SOMEONE is going to target that Frisco/Plano section as the wealth keeps going up over that way. It makes sense that the luxury market would grow as well. I forgot about Legacy West. But yeah, either a mall or perhaps something else will emerge to service that part of the region that doesnt want to have to drive all the way down to Northpark. Michael Kors may not have worked out years ago when they first came up there, but Frisco has grown massively since then. I suspect the market has as well.
Oh, I 100% agree with Frisco / Plano being a second luxury market in the metroplex, I just don’t think Stonebriar will ever be the draw for those brands. It’s too family centered and is now filled with junk brands (The Buckle, Hot Topic) and mid-tier mall brands (White House Black Market, Loft, Kay Jewelers, etc). They lost their Apple Store due to Eastern District Court politics. Sephora and Williams-Sonoma are the most “luxury” tier offerings. The Nordstrom is a B- store.
Curious to see how the brands perform at Legacy West. It definitely has a better vibe for upscale than Stonebriar.
09-21-2021, 04:30 PM
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Whats interesting to me is that the Galleria in Houston and the one in Dallas serve different purposes. The Galleria in Houston is more like NorthPark since thats where our luxury brands tend to congregate. The Galleria in Dallas tends to have a more middle class vibe to it.
Basically, the reverse effect of the two Highland Village. The Highland Village in the Dallas is the premier shopping development of its name while the Highland Village in Houston is more similar to Knox/Henderson in terms of the type of stores that they attract.
09-21-2021, 05:52 PM
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I would bet money on Stonebriar to become number 2 eventually. That West Plano/Frisco/Prosper corridor should keep growing and booming with affluent residents flooding in. Stonebriar is a big part of the reason Willow Bend is struggling now.
Is Neiman Marcus struggling as well? What if they decided to relocate that store to the Galleria Dallas? I'm thinking the next Neiman Marcus will go way out on 380 or further beyond into Prosper.
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Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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