[Henry10]

Originally Posted by CTartist

Just want to give you some info on CT and FL.

Florida foreign born is 21.1%
Connecticut foreign born is 14.8%
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data...emographics/FL

So FL has more foreign born individuals many of whom probably don't speak English like in CT. I assume it's like that in every state with immigrants. My great grandparents and grandparents could not speak English when they came from Italy also but they all became business owners. I am sure many of todays immigrants become business owners like my ancestors did IN ALL THE STATES.

Comparing immigration now with that of 100 years ago is like trying to compare a pig with a pony.

We all know the underlining economics and especially welfare attraction of immigration nowadays. And there are other reasons -- assimilation, immigrant voting patterns which fuel even more dependency policies, etc. etc.

Another point -- look at the civilizations these immigrants come from, versus the civilization your grandparents came from. Your grandparents came from a society that produced DaVinci, Galileo, Dante, Garibaldi, etc. My grandparents too -- add here Voltaire, Curie, Jean D'Arc, etc.

Here is another important point -- our grandparents came from rebelling societies, societies that were not OK with an iron-fisted centralized Governments. Immigrants now come from societies that support tyrannies.

Our grandparents were not OK with being subjects of a central authority. They came here for freedom. This is the story of America. Current immigrants are subjects with a subject's culture and mentality. Americanism and liberty are alien concepts to them.

[CTartist]

Originally Posted by Henry10

Comparing immigration now with that of 100 years ago is like trying to compare a pig with a pony.

We all know the underlining economics and especially welfare attraction of immigration nowadays. And there are other reasons -- assimilation, immigrant voting patterns which fuel even more dependency policies, etc. etc.

Another point -- look at the civilizations these immigrants come from, versus the civilization your grandparents came from. Your grandparents came from a society that produced DaVinci, Galileo, Dante, Garibaldi, etc. My grandparents too -- add here Voltaire, Curie, Jean D'Arc, etc.

Here is another important point -- our grandparents came from rebelling societies, societies that were not OK with an iron-fisted centralized Governments. Immigrants now come from societies that support tyrannies.

Our grandparents were not OK with being subjects of a central authority. They came here for freedom. This is the story of America. Current immigrants are subjects with a subject's culture and mentality. Americanism and liberty are alien concepts to them.

LOL Italians were some of the biggest socialists when they came to the US and many are still socialist in Italy now........... and the French are some of the biggest socialists NOW lol.

"I discovered that the left, which has always played, and still plays, an important role in Italian politics........ The book shows that, despite their present conservative image, Italian Americans have a vibrant and rich radical past."

https://monthlyreview.org/2006/01/01...cal-experience

When my ancestors came to the US the Americans then where saying THE SAME THINGS about them that the right wing media is saying about immigrants today. Do you realize that one of the biggest lynching in the US was against Italians?

"As he lay dying, a witness asked him who did it. “Dagoes,” he reportedly whispered, using a slur for Italians..........But many Americans, swept up on a tide of anti-immigrant sentiment, applauded the killings........The lynchings were the most violent expression of anti-Italian feeling in America"

Same ole s***.......different generation of bigots.

[MrGompers]

Originally Posted by Henry10

Comparing immigration now with that of 100 years ago is like trying to compare a pig with a pony.

We all know the underlining economics and especially welfare attraction of immigration nowadays. And there are other reasons -- assimilation, immigrant voting patterns which fuel even more dependency policies, etc. etc.

Repeat after me, there is no welfare for documented or undocumented immigrants. I don't know why we have to keep covering this. The only exception is for pregnant women.



A permanent resident has to wait at least 5 years before they can receive any type of welfare from the Govt.


A person who sponsors an immigrant has to fill out an affidavit of support I-864


https://www.uscis.gov/green-card/gre...vit-of-support


There are no free rides for immigrants.

[CTartist]

I have been on City-Data for quite a few years now. Every year a bunch of people from other states come on here and says how bad the CT economy is and all the rich people are leaving and going to their states. So EVERY YEAR I have looked up this information:

GPD Per Capita
Income Per Capita
Household Income
Millionaires Per Capita

Pretty simple really. CT is always in the top 10 best and many times in the top 5. Doing this exercise every year makes think CT is doing something right. I would have never thought this if I didn't look up all this info every year. With all the trash that is talked about the CT economy you would think we were like many southern states with abysmal economies and high poverty etc.

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BTW I forgot this in all this back and forth.

Millionaires Per Capita by State 2020
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-per-capita-us
1) NJ
2) MD
3) CT

[norcal2k19]

Originally Posted by CTartist

I have been on City-Data for quite a few years now. Every year a bunch of people from other states come on here and says how bad the CT economy is and all the rich people are leaving and going to their states. So EVERY YEAR I have looked up this information:

GPD Per Capita
Income Per Capita
Household Income
Millionaires Per Capita

Pretty simple really. CT is always in the top 10 best and many times in the top 5. Doing this exercise every year makes think CT is doing something right. I would have never thought this if I didn't look up all this info every year. With all the trash that is talked about the CT economy you would think we were like many southern states with abysmal economies and high poverty etc.

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BTW I forgot this in all this back and forth.

Millionaires Per Capita by State 2020
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-per-capita-us
1) NJ
2) MD
3) CT

Thank you CT Artist! Exactly what I'm thinking. I'm just amazed that those gloom and doom folks, especially the ones who don't live in CT, have the time to tell us about our economy and living situation when they don't even live here.

It's great that we can have open conversations about our state's economy - this is most helpful when done in good faith not spouting unsubstantiated talking points from a keyboard out of state.

[CTartist]

Originally Posted by norcal2k19

Thank you CT Artist! Exactly what I'm thinking. I'm just amazed that those gloom and doom folks, especially the ones who don't live in CT, have the time to tell us about our economy and living situation when they don't even live here.

It's great that we can have open conversations about our state's economy - this is most helpful when done in good faith not spouting unsubstantiated talking points from a keyboard out of state.

Here is another thing that I see in my family mostly in Fairfield County.

Even though the parents many be retiring in FL their money is already turned over to the children up here in CT. Just because you see a lot of people BUYING in FL doesn't mean all their money went with them.

Here is what I see. The wealthier people turn over their money to their kids (even the property in FL) and they go back and forth from CT to FL........the classic snow birds. Just because someone from CT retired to FL doesn't mean all their money is with them.

For every person I know who is the classic wealthy snowbird with money (or their kids have their money) there are about 3 poorer people who leave CT because they just can't afford CT in retirement. They move to inland FL (where it is cheaper), GA and the Carolinas.

That is probably why FL, GA and the Carolina's aren't moving way up in the rankings for income, GDP Per Capita etc. despite the fact many people from the north are moving there.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by norcal2k19

Thank you CT Artist! Exactly what I'm thinking. I'm just amazed that those gloom and doom folks, especially the ones who don't live in CT, have the time to tell us about our economy and living situation when they don't even live here.

It's great that we can have open conversations about our state's economy - this is most helpful when done in good faith not spouting unsubstantiated talking points from a keyboard out of state.

More potshot drive by comments with nothing of substance. I’m still awaiting a well thought out reply to several of my points in response to your accusations pages back.

We’ve been having open and honest conversations in this thread for many years now. If we can keep doing that without the snide remarks, we’ll all be much better off.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by CTartist

Here is another thing that I see in my family mostly in Fairfield County.

Even though the parents many be retiring in FL their money is already turned over to the children up here in CT. Just because you see a lot of people BUYING in FL doesn't mean all their money went with them.

The concern comes when people establish residency out of state, effectively reducing CT’s tax revenue.

[SteveM85]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

The concern comes when people establish residency out of state, effectively reducing CT’s tax revenue.

How? the 182 Days crowd is retired or not working full-time anyway. RMDs or Soc Sec aren't breaking the bank for the state
Full-timers are pouring in from NY and NJ hand over fist. Playing musical chairs with limited housing inventory. Remote tribes in Papua and New Guinea even know about this.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

The concern comes when people establish residency out of state, effectively reducing CT’s tax revenue.

Originally Posted by SteveM85

How?

The answer to your question is literally in the quoted portion of your post. These people still have incomes - they are no longer paying income/car/any other tax the remaining CT residents pay. This is pretty obvious stuff.