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USC and UCLA left before a TV/streaming deal was even being negotiated. Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Oregon, and Washington left because the deal was going to be streaming only with Apple and worth $12 million less per year per school than the Big 12.
The problem with the PAC 12 started long before this. In 2021, they had the opportunity to expand to whatever they wished using Big 12 schools. Because the PAC 12 thought that the schools in the Big 12 were beneath them, they didn't do anything. They thought that they would be fine. One year later, USC and UCLA bolt to the Big 10. The PAC 12 was too arrogant to capitalize on a golden opportunity. Now it is the Big 12 with the upper hand and is able to riad the best of the PAC.
Damn, the Pac 12 could've done that and skipped on doing that? That's awful they blew that opportunity, to add those Big 12 schools. Weird to think a lot of us were guessing the Big 12 was in trouble a few years ago, when Texas and Oklahoma announced they'd join the SEC. Weird the tables have turned, very quickly for the Big 12.
And Pac 12 should've negotiated something bigger, than just a streaming deal with Apple.
Damn, the Pac 12 could've done that and skipped on doing that? That's awful they blew that opportunity, to add those Big 12 schools. Weird to think a lot of us were guessing the Big 12 was in trouble a few years ago, when Texas and Oklahoma announced they'd join the SEC. Weird the tables have turned, very quickly for the Big 12.
And Pac 12 should've negotiated something bigger, than just a streaming deal with Apple.
The economy for sports television isn’t very good right now. The big players like ESPN, Fox, CBS, etc aren’t really in the position to be giving out big TV contracts for college football. They already have contracts with the other conferences, and the PAC was just the last one in line. They were too slow, and they were left out as a result. Apple was the last opportunity they had, and the schools didn’t like it. So they say, Chao!
Latest has Stanford and Cal in talks to join the ACC. I can see how it might benefit the ACC since they might be the next conference to go but Stanford and Cal?
Yes, I saw a similar article. How is that going to work when most of the ACC is on the east coast? It works academically for the ACC but geographically and financially? I don't know. I think Cal and Stanford should link with the Mountain West but financially that doesn't work. More money for them going to the ACC.
Just thought of this after writing the previous post. Vandy, Cal, Stanford, Notre Dame, Northwestern. All the high brow, non-Ivy leaguers to form their own conference. Yes, I know. Why would Vandy leave the SEC and Northwestern leave the Big 10? Just throwing things against the wall.
Yes, I saw a similar article. How is that going to work when most of the ACC is on the east coast? It works academically for the ACC but geographically and financially? I don't know. I think Cal and Stanford should link with the Mountain West but financially that doesn't work. More money for them going to the ACC.
The premier teams in the ACC have to be kicking themselves for signing and renewing their grant of rights deal as they watch the SEC and Big Ten widen the revenue gap while the ACC becomes an afterthought with its teams locked into a failing conference. Right now the revenue gap isn't huge, but in 4 years when Big Ten and SEC schools are getting ~$75-100M/yr from their TV deals and the ACC is less than half that, it will be much harder to compete. So the conference will continue, unless grant of rights court challenges are successful, but it will be a sinking ship.
Latest has Stanford and Cal in talks to join the ACC. I can see how it might benefit the ACC since they might be the next conference to go but Stanford and Cal?
It’s a weak move by the ACC. Taking the leftovers for the sake of appearing proactive is non sense. Stanford and Cal should just stay with Oregon State and Washington State and whatever combination of the MTW happens.
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They could have added Texas and Oklahoma in 2010 and commissioner Larry Scott said no. Boneheaded move not sure if he thought those schools were beneath them. Then in 2021 USC pressured the Pac-12 to not take OK st, Kansas, etc because they were already planning on leaving and it would have made it harder to leave.
Thats not true, The Pac 10 extended invitations to Colorado, OU, OSU, Texas Tech, Texas AM and Texas. it was texas's reluctance to exit its ESPN Longhorn network deal, And Texas declined the offer to join. and this has been reported on for a full decade now.
The Texas announcement came shortly after Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott confirmed that Texas had declined an invitation to become the 12th member of his conference.
"University of Texas President Bill Powers has informed us that the 10 remaining schools in the Big 12 Conference intend to stay together," Scott said in a statement. "We are excited about the future of the Pac-10 Conference and we will continue to evaluate future expansion opportunities under the guidelines previously set forth by our Presidents and Chancellors."
The Big 12 schools felt that they were worth more with texas in the big 12 than in the Pac 12 without texas, and they were right. remember both conferences renegotiated TV deals after the first major realignment and the Big 12( with 10 teams) got more money per team than the Pac 12 with USC and UCLA and new members Colorado and Utah
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It’s a weak move by the ACC. Taking the leftovers for the sake of appearing proactive is non sense. Stanford and Cal should just stay with Oregon State and Washington State and whatever combination of the MTW happens.
In context, of the schools not in the 4 major conferences, Cal and Stanford are the highest profile and spend the most money on athletics and bring in the most revenue. In fact, I think both schools are actually in the top 30 in that and outrank most of the Big 12 and bottom half of the ACC.
In context, of the schools not in the 4 major conferences, Cal and Stanford are the highest profile and spend the most money on athletics and bring in the most revenue. In fact, I think both schools are actually in the top 30 in that and outrank most of the Big 12 and bottom half of the ACC.
That doesn’t matter anymore. Neither draw interest in football and basketball and therefore we’re left behind. The size of their athletic budget or their academic prestige brings no value to the ACC, and adding them is pointless. If the ACC wanted to appear as though they were stable, they should deal with FSU.
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