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Now the ACC is looking like its going to lose their biggest asset in Clemson, with FSU and NC maybe heading out. Its going to be Big10 and SEC, then the rest of the conferences in some junior league format. Power 2 and then whats left.
Florida State filed a petition in the North Carolina Supreme Court late Friday to appeal its initial loss in the courtroom against the Atlantic Coast Conference.
The Florida State Board of Trustees’ petition comes after the North Carolina Business Court ruled in favor of the ACC last month, allowing the state to retain jurisdiction over the dispute. The Tampa Bay Times first reported Monday of the Seminoles’ decision to file a petition in North Carolina Supreme Court.
Along with denying FSU’s appeal of the venue of the lawsuit, the North Carolina Business Court also denied the school’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit. In Friday night’s 59-page filing, Florida State asked the state’s Supreme Court to review the initial decision and “whether the trial court lacked subject matter jurisdiction due to the ACC’s lack of standing when it filed the initial complaint.”
FSU’s filing argued the ACC didn’t follow voting protocols when it sued the institution in the state of North Carolina. Another point argued by FSU is, yet again, that the institution believes the correct venue for this lawsuit is Florida and not North Carolina.
“In other words, the only subject matter of this dispute (according to the ACC) is FSU’s intellectual property rights (FSU Media Rights) to all of FSU’s home games played in Tallahassee and broadcast from Tallahassee using FSU facilities in Tallahassee for the next twelve years after FSU leaves the ACC,” the petition states. “What could possibly be more Florida-centric?”
Now the ACC is looking like its going to lose their biggest asset in Clemson, with FSU and NC maybe heading out. Its going to be Big10 and SEC, then the rest of the conferences in some junior league format. Power 2 and then whats left.
You got that backwards my friend. ACC is going to lose FSU, then Clemson and NC maybe heading out. Actually FSU and Clemson ARE leaving. There is no way they are staying. As far as UNC...don't be surprised to see the ACC do some funny math for UNC.
But yes, it will be Big 10 and SEC. That much is obvious.
Florida State filed a petition in the North Carolina Supreme Court late Friday to appeal its initial loss in the courtroom against the Atlantic Coast Conference.
The Florida State Board of Trustees’ petition comes after the North Carolina Business Court ruled in favor of the ACC last month, allowing the state to retain jurisdiction over the dispute. The Tampa Bay Times first reported Monday of the Seminoles’ decision to file a petition in North Carolina Supreme Court.
Along with denying FSU’s appeal of the venue of the lawsuit, the North Carolina Business Court also denied the school’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit. In Friday night’s 59-page filing, Florida State asked the state’s Supreme Court to review the initial decision and “whether the trial court lacked subject matter jurisdiction due to the ACC’s lack of standing when it filed the initial complaint.”
FSU’s filing argued the ACC didn’t follow voting protocols when it sued the institution in the state of North Carolina. Another point argued by FSU is, yet again, that the institution believes the correct venue for this lawsuit is Florida and not North Carolina.
“In other words, the only subject matter of this dispute (according to the ACC) is FSU’s intellectual property rights (FSU Media Rights) to all of FSU’s home games played in Tallahassee and broadcast from Tallahassee using FSU facilities in Tallahassee for the next twelve years after FSU leaves the ACC,” the petition states. “What could possibly be more Florida-centric?”
It is fascinating in a bad kind of way. Say FSU wins, the ACC loses its grip on its members that it thought it had by touting the 2036 mantra of the GOR. But how many members would leave? They would need to have somewhere to go. So I don't foresee a collapse of the ACC if they lose. While FSU and Clemson are definites for landing spots, there could be some intriguing options for the Big 12. But would Big 12 want to expand? This is all media driven now, so who knows. ACC could remain as is, paid way less than everyone else because Fox/ESPN don't want to pay more to the other conferences for the remaining schools. Then when the ACC-ESPN contract runs out (which mind you is 2026 unless ESPN opts in), then ACC will suffer Pac 12 level of embarrassment. Teams like UNC, Duke, 'Cuse, Louisville provide possible college basketball improvement, but college football is what is driving now. So it will be interesting.
The ACC very much did NOT follow its own protocols when it sued. It admitted as much. They went back and voted AFTER. But that kind of shenanigan is not uncommon for the ACC. Just like how Swofford screwed everyone in the ACC to save Raycom for his son. And how Phillips extended the ESPN option without authorization. The ACC has always been a shady conference. And now it is coming to light.
It is fascinating in a bad kind of way. Say FSU wins, the ACC loses its grip on its members that it thought it had by touting the 2036 mantra of the GOR. But how many members would leave? They would need to have somewhere to go. So I don't foresee a collapse of the ACC if they lose. While FSU and Clemson are definites for landing spots, there could be some intriguing options for the Big 12. But would Big 12 want to expand? This is all media driven now, so who knows. ACC could remain as is, paid way less than everyone else because Fox/ESPN don't want to pay more to the other conferences for the remaining schools. Then when the ACC-ESPN contract runs out (which mind you is 2026 unless ESPN opts in), then ACC will suffer Pac 12 level of embarrassment. Teams like UNC, Duke, 'Cuse, Louisville provide possible college basketball improvement, but college football is what is driving now. So it will be interesting.
The ACC very much did NOT follow its own protocols when it sued. It admitted as much. They went back and voted AFTER. But that kind of shenanigan is not uncommon for the ACC. Just like how Swofford screwed everyone in the ACC to save Raycom for his son. And how Phillips extended the ESPN option without authorization. The ACC has always been a shady conference. And now it is coming to light.
I know it would NEVER happen, but if you could form a league from the best of the Big 12 and the best of the ACC, you could make a heck of a league. Clemson and FSU would be huge headliners for the East. Notre Dame (finally joining a conference.... part of what makes this not plausible) could headline the west along with maybe Colorado. It could look something like this:
East
Florida State
Clemson
Miami
Virginia Tech
Virginia
West Virginia
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
NC State
Louisville
Pittsburgh
West
Notre Dame
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
Texas Tech
TCU
SMU
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
Utah
Again, I know this would never happen as ND will not join a conference. But this would be at least in the ballpark of on par with the Big 10/SEC. If only the ACC had the foresight about 10 years ago when the Big 12 was unstable to go hard after Texas/Oklahoma at that time, we might be looking at a totally different situation... even with all the dead weight the ACC currently has.
That all said, I think the whole conference alignment blows up anyway. In 10 years or so, the alignment of college football will be nearly unrecognizable IMO.
I know it would NEVER happen, but if you could form a league from the best of the Big 12 and the best of the ACC, you could make a heck of a league. Clemson and FSU would be huge headliners for the East. Notre Dame (finally joining a conference.... part of what makes this not plausible) could headline the west along with maybe Colorado. It could look something like this:
East
Florida State
Clemson
Miami
Virginia Tech
Virginia
West Virginia
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
NC State
Louisville
Pittsburgh
West
Notre Dame
Colorado
Arizona
Arizona State
Texas Tech
TCU
SMU
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
Utah
Again, I know this would never happen as ND will not join a conference. But this would be at least in the ballpark of on par with the Big 10/SEC. If only the ACC had the foresight about 10 years ago when the Big 12 was unstable to go hard after Texas/Oklahoma at that time, we might be looking at a totally different situation... even with all the dead weight the ACC currently has.
That all said, I think the whole conference alignment blows up anyway. In 10 years or so, the alignment of college football will be nearly unrecognizable IMO.
Something like that would work from anyone not named FSU and CU. They would still be left behind revenue wise compared to B10 and SEC. The idea itself is not far fetched for the remaining ACC after FSU/CU leave. ND will stay independent as long as they can before joining the B10.
And yes, in 10 years or less this realignment will be for nothing as SEC/B10 will something akin to the NFL.
Something like that would work from anyone not named FSU and CU. They would still be left behind revenue wise compared to B10 and SEC. The idea itself is not far fetched for the remaining ACC after FSU/CU leave. ND will stay independent as long as they can before joining the B10.
And yes, in 10 years or less this realignment will be for nothing as SEC/B10 will something akin to the NFL.
The SEC and Big10 have been the NFL's minor league for at least 15 years. The occasional interruption by the Trojans, Clemson, or one of the new bloods like Oregon notwithstanding, any school that matters will eventually be a part of these conferences and the rest will be the home of the junior ranks. I miss the old days when conferences and a few Bowl Games mattered, but I see where it is going and has already gone. The last chance would have been the Pac, Big12, and ACC forming something together to compete, but that time clearly has gone.
The SEC and Big10 have been the NFL's minor league for at least 15 years. The occasional interruption by the Trojans, Clemson, or one of the new bloods like Oregon notwithstanding, any school that matters will eventually be a part of these conferences and the rest will be the home of the junior ranks. I miss the old days when conferences and a few Bowl Games mattered, but I see where it is going and has already gone. The last chance would have been the Pac, Big12, and ACC forming something together to compete, but that time clearly has gone.
Considering the national movement in college sports, a league of Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Washington, Oregon, UCLA, Colorado, FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, VT and a few others would have been an awesome third league. It never would have happened... but it would have been great.
Something like that would work from anyone not named FSU and CU. They would still be left behind revenue wise compared to B10 and SEC. The idea itself is not far fetched for the remaining ACC after FSU/CU leave. ND will stay independent as long as they can before joining the B10.
And yes, in 10 years or less this realignment will be for nothing as SEC/B10 will something akin to the NFL.
Im not convinced any semblance of the Big 10 or SEC will exist beyond 10 or so years.
At a certain point, the Ohio States, Alabamas, and Georgias are going to ask why they're taking similar cuts as Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, Mississippi State, or Missouri.
My suspicion is that the whole thing blows up and about 24-32 teams consolidate into one league, split into 2-4 divisions/conferences/pods. And then another "2nd tier" will form behind that. It also wouldn't surprise me if sports other than football break back into similar alignments to what we had in the 90s or before.
Im not convinced any semblance of the Big 10 or SEC will exist beyond 10 or so years.
At a certain point, the Ohio States, Alabamas, and Georgias are going to ask why they're taking similar cuts as Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, Mississippi State, or Missouri.
My suspicion is that the whole thing blows up and about 24-32 teams consolidate into one league, split into 2-4 divisions/conferences/pods. And then another "2nd tier" will form behind that. It also wouldn't surprise me if sports other than football break back into similar alignments to what we had in the 90s or before.
I tend to agree with you on this. The big money makers will want a more pro-like format. That will be the death nail of college football. The tradition will be out the window, and we will lose out on the greatest sport because of greed. The remaining schools would be smarter to make leagues based on geography and rivalries. I would be interested to see who makes the cut for the "super league".
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