Got photo clicked speeding ticket in cleveland ohio (Toledo, Dayton: insurance, crime)

[Jesg311]

I received a ticket for $100 dollars but the notices were sent to an old address. I received a collections call today for $160.00 for a camera speeding ticket. I fought letting the collection lady know I did not receive any notices. I contacted Cleveland Municipality that confirmed the ticket. The collections lady reduced it to 120.

Yes, it did go to collections. So just pay it off and save your credit.

[Cleveland_Collector]

In order for it to affect your credit, a summary judgement must be issued with evidence of you denying payment. That won't happen because the thing would be tossed out on its ear the minute it actually went in front of a civil court. They also know that any legal pressure would amount to a huge class action lawsuit (which they would most definitely lose). So, what they do instead is sell it off to a private collection agency who, by law, cannot touch your credit information unless they have explicitly provided you credit (which they haven't).

What the collection agents say when they talk to you is tantamount the complete impersonation of a law enforcement officer (in most cases, a high midemeanor or low felony) when trying to coerce the money out of you. They're actually doing way more wrong than you ever did. But, they're also usually out of state, hard to track down, and difficult to prosecute because the only real evidence you would have is an unauthorized electronic record (sound familiar?). So, they get away with it. If you get an actual court summons, certainly honor it. But, 1000:1 you won't hear from anyone but an out of state, private collections agent who has zero legal or financial jurisdiction over you.

[mcnamaradanielp]

I have two tickets from East Cleveland traffic camera. I have NOT paid, but now have a letter from MSB, municipal services bureau in Austin Texas, saying that the violation is now being treated as a DEBT, and if I do not pay, they can report it to credit bureaus. Empty threats? or time for me to just Buck up and not risk the damage to my credit?
Dont feel i should pay because I was turning right on a red light, not running one, but dont want actual stain on credit. Please advise! Thanks

[L2DB]

I'd probably pay it. Fighting it or having it go on your credit report isn't worth the hassle of $90 bucks or whatever x 2.

[Rodeno]

I got popped by a camera the night my wife went into labor going 85 down Chester Ave. (no, she wasn't in the car, she had to be life flight-ed). I called and they wanted me to appear, show proof, etc. and being two hours form home and with a kid in the hospital I said **** it...

[Dillon86]

I got a red light ticket in the mail at the corner of Carnegie and MLK Drive. I was clearly stopped at the light, the ticket said 0MPH...Wish I would've saved it for the laughs. I contested it in court and immediately won

[genstab]

I just got a notice that I have a speeding camera ticket in Linndale. Rather than take a chance on police coming to my house or a collection agency messing up my pristine credit I'm just paying the blood suckers the damn $100. Any of you Clevelanders know how rotten Linndale always has been since the thieving Mayor Armand Masten in the 1970s who also ran the Mayor's Court. Well, he's dead- and I think he was prosecuted for some illegality before that- but that damn village still remains. Even sending traffic violators to Parma court instead of their own hasn't gotten their police cars off of I-71 but at least they are less frequently out there.

The good news is the Gub'nor signed a law last month banning red light and speding cameras in Ohio effective 90 days from signing- March 20th.

Best,
Bill in Fairview Park

[cubsguy81]

I did some searches and this is the only recent thread on cameras. This is an area I have concerns about in moving to CLE.

Before anyone says, well don't speed, stop at red lights, etc let's get real. These things are about revenue. There is nothing unsafe about traveling 80 MPH on an interstate, nor is creeping forward to make a right on red to see oncoming traffic unsafe. And the idiot behind you tailgating when the light turns yellow so you proceed to avoid getting rear-ended.

For the record, I have ZERO tickets or accidents and never even been pulled over in my 22 years of driving. That said, every time I have driven through Ohio I've been on high alert using both my Escort 9500IX radar detector that rejects TSR (traffic sensors Ohio uses every mile on the K Band) and also uses GPS to announce Speed and Red Light Cameras and Waze to alert to police ahead, in addition to just having an eagle eye for police and looking ahead on the road. I haven't invested in LIDAR/Laser jamming as I haven't lived in areas that use it and it is rarely used in areas outside Ohio in my experience traveling the entire US.

So back to the cameras. I have read that in recent years automated photo tickets from cameras in Ohio are basically unenforceable now. Is this true?

Since I am moving to the state soon I'm giving consideration to registering my car under an LLC that is owned by an anonymous LLC holding company in Wyoming to provide additional protection. A few reasons. 1) As it pertains to cameras, they won't be able to easily track down who actually owns the car. 2) With a corporate ownership, it can't ever get back to me as the actual driver, thus no case. They can file all the judgments they want against a shell corp. Have at it. 3) With license plate readers on the side of the road tracking where we come and go, with that data sold to firms such as TLOxp, TransUnion, LexisNexis, etc I'm looking to block that data being collected on my whereabouts as a matter of principle by using an LLC not traceable to me.

Trying to make a bullet proof immunity to these scams and ensuring I'm not overlooking anything here. But if the tickets are already just empty threats and don't have any teeth. Still might be worth it to shield from the nasty letters and calls.

[bjimmy24]

Cleveland got rid of their cameras in 2014.

[216facts]

Originally Posted by cubsguy81

I did some searches and this is the only recent thread on cameras. This is an area I have concerns about in moving to CLE.

Before anyone says, well don't speed, stop at red lights, etc let's get real. These things are about revenue. There is nothing unsafe about traveling 80 MPH on an interstate, nor is creeping forward to make a right on red to see oncoming traffic unsafe. And the idiot behind you tailgating when the light turns yellow so you proceed to avoid getting rear-ended.

For the record, I have ZERO tickets or accidents and never even been pulled over in my 22 years of driving. That said, every time I have driven through Ohio I've been on high alert using both my Escort 9500IX radar detector that rejects TSR (traffic sensors Ohio uses every mile on the K Band) and also uses GPS to announce Speed and Red Light Cameras and Waze to alert to police ahead, in addition to just having an eagle eye for police and looking ahead on the road. I haven't invested in LIDAR/Laser jamming as I haven't lived in areas that use it and it is rarely used in areas outside Ohio in my experience traveling the entire US.

So back to the cameras. I have read that in recent years automated photo tickets from cameras in Ohio are basically unenforceable now. Is this true?

Since I am moving to the state soon I'm giving consideration to registering my car under an LLC that is owned by an anonymous LLC holding company in Wyoming to provide additional protection. A few reasons. 1) As it pertains to cameras, they won't be able to easily track down who actually owns the car. 2) With a corporate ownership, it can't ever get back to me as the actual driver, thus no case. They can file all the judgments they want against a shell corp. Have at it. 3) With license plate readers on the side of the road tracking where we come and go, with that data sold to firms such as TLOxp, TransUnion, LexisNexis, etc I'm looking to block that data being collected on my whereabouts as a matter of principle by using an LLC not traceable to me.

Trying to make a bullet proof immunity to these scams and ensuring I'm not overlooking anything here. But if the tickets are already just empty threats and don't have any teeth. Still might be worth it to shield from the nasty letters and calls.

I got a photo ticket from Linndale about a year ago, I think it was around $125 and I think I was going about 35 in a 25 - on Memphis Ave in Linndale. So I think some communities are skirting the Ohio state law and still have cameras. I paid it because, well I get my share of tickets and quite frankly $125 isn't that bad. If you've never had a ticket - I don't think this is worth worrying about. I mean, we're talking about speeding tickets here.

That idea about registering your car under an LLC owned by an anonymous holding company... Is this a joke or do you actually go to these kind of extremes to avoid a couple of hundred dollar ticket (at most) that you probably will never ever get? Sounds a bit mental.