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No, we don't understand because its nowhere near the same. The level of urbanity and development is not nearly as consistant between Philly and NYC as it is between San Jose and San Francisco or between Oakland and San Jose. The latter 2 are wall-to-wall development, and there are much stronger commute patterns, shared media, etc. etc.
SJ and SF are distinct MSA's. NYC and Philly are distinct MSA's. My guess is there is more integration between NYC metro and Phillys metro than there is between SJ and SF based on the fact that there are 4x as many people living in NYC/PHilly than SJ/SF. There are an estimated 1.5 M people commuting between NYC and Philly just using Amtrak, thats an enormous amount of rail commuters between 2 cities.That doesnt take into effect NJ Transit, Bus Lines, planes, 2 hr car trip up the turnpike.
Here is an excerpt from the NY SUN discussing the NYC/Philly bond. Although I dont agree with the "Sixth Borough" title at all.
New Amtrak Service Could Boost ‘the Sixth Borough'
By ANNIE KARNI, Special to the Sun | April 20, 2007
Amtrak is planning to roll out new service on its much-maligned and often-delayed Acela route this July, providing nonstop service between New York and Philadelphia for the first time. The new route would also provide nonstop service to Washington from Philadelphia.
Cutting three New Jersey stops from the trip and shaving down commute times between New York and Philadelphia to about an hour could help solidify the "sixth borough" status of the City of Brotherly Love, real estate brokers and developers said.
About 1.5 million passengers a year use Amtrak to commute between New York and Philadelphia on a regular basis, and the number is growing, particularly among people in their 20s and 30s seeking more affordable housing, real estate brokers said. Amtrak expects the new line to boost its business clientele, a spokesman said.
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Originally Posted by irishimm
]There is no reason SF and SJ should not be in the same MSA.
You have to understand what the definition of the MSA entitles. The MSA is based on a single core region and the ensuing direct growth and integration surrounding that core area. SF and SJ were independent singular core areas that eventually merged. Hence the fairly recent CMSA classification. SF and SJ should not be in the same MSA.
And we are saying the Census MSA definitions for the Bay Area are a sham and in no way reflect the reality there (similar to Cleveland and Akron, on a much smaller scale).
Spend any time there and youll realize its all one metro...no one who lives in San Jose would say they are part of a different Metro area.
This is your opinion...fine...we say this area and that...fine...FOR ANOTHER THREAD...For the last time CENSUS BUREAU...If you refuse to participate under the opening parameters; than by all means...START YOUR OWN THREAD! We will never agree on the components of each area...Why do you insist on changing the parameters set forth in the thread....Please feel free to go to all the trouble and provide links and state your case...I'm sure The CENSUS BUREAU will be very interested!
My guess is there is more integration between NYC metro and Phillys metro than there is between SJ and SF based on the fact that there are 4x as many people living in NYC/PHilly than SJ/SF. .
without a question, the stupidest thing i've read on this website.
i find it funny how people who dont live here will try to tell people from here that SJ and SF are 2 distinct areas.
without a question, the stupidest thing i've read on this website.
i find it funny how people who dont live here will try to tell people from here that SJ and SF are 2 distinct areas.
I didnt say they were distinct areas. I said they are distinct MSA's. SF's sphere of influence grew seperately from SJ's sphere of influence.They eventually merged. SF is not directly responsible for SJ or SJ's suburban population, seperate root systems although closely related..
By definition of the census bureau they are seperate msa's.
Do you realize how absurd this is? I don't even know where to begin...
Let me only say this. The 49ers are in the process of developing a new stadium in Santa Clara (5 minutes from San Jose). Once the move happens they will still be called the San Francisco 49ers. No one has complained about this...does that inform your understanfing of the social and cultural geography of the area?
The physical and urban connectivity has already been established through the numerous satellite photos posted throughout this thread. The Bay Area is a metro area comprised of a "triangle" of cities with unfettered urban development between them, which forms a half circle around the bay itself.
Again, Rainrock, please describe why this (the half circle around the bay) should be considered 2 metro areas. Where would you draw the line?:
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Originally Posted by rainrock
SJ and SF are distinct MSA's. NYC and Philly are distinct MSA's. My guess is there is more integration between NYC metro and Phillys metro than there is between SJ and SF based on the fact that there are 4x as many people living in NYC/PHilly than SJ/SF. There are an estimated 1.5 M people commuting between NYC and Philly just using Amtrak, thats an enormous amount of rail commuters between 2 cities.That doesnt take into effect NJ Transit, Bus Lines, planes, 2 hr car trip up the turnpike.
Here is an excerpt from the NY SUN discussing the NYC/Philly bond. Although I dont agree with the "Sixth Borough" title at all.
New Amtrak Service Could Boost ‘the Sixth Borough'
By ANNIE KARNI, Special to the Sun | April 20, 2007
Amtrak is planning to roll out new service on its much-maligned and often-delayed Acela route this July, providing nonstop service between New York and Philadelphia for the first time. The new route would also provide nonstop service to Washington from Philadelphia.
Cutting three New Jersey stops from the trip and shaving down commute times between New York and Philadelphia to about an hour could help solidify the "sixth borough" status of the City of Brotherly Love, real estate brokers and developers said.
About 1.5 million passengers a year use Amtrak to commute between New York and Philadelphia on a regular basis, and the number is growing, particularly among people in their 20s and 30s seeking more affordable housing, real estate brokers said. Amtrak expects the new line to boost its business clientele, a spokesman said.
You have to understand what the definition of the MSA entitles. The MSA is based on a single core region and the ensuing direct growth and integration surrounding that core area. SF and SJ were independent singular core areas that eventually merged. Hence the fairly recent CMSA classification. SF and SJ should not be in the same MSA.
we are telling you as residents of the area that everybody here recognizes the San Francisco bay area as the area around the san francisco bay
derrrr
hence the name itself san francisco bay
and what cities surround the san francisco bay
SF + the peninsula, oakland and the east bay (note the word bay in "east bay"), San Jose and the south bay, and vallejo and the cities to the north.
here is one of YOUR posts
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Originally Posted by PITTSTON2SARASOTA
A few posters want to make up their own parameters for a metropolitan area...that is up to the Census Bureau...HERE ARE THEIR DEFINITIONS AND PARAMETERS..... United States metropolitan area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and the populations(NO ESTIMATES). They have the definitive say!
as one poster told you (who you purposely ignored), click on #13 on that page
uh, not its not. lived in the bay my entire life and i call SF the city or frisco... and so does everyone i know. sf goes by many names and frisco is one of them
You have spoken to all 800,000 residents.....I'm impressed!
As a California native I always find it odd that people who live out of the state seem to worry more about earthquakes than actual residents of the state. Anyone seem to notice that too?
Kinda like hurricanes and floods.
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We will never agree on the components of each area...Why do you insist on changing the parameters set forth in the thread....Please feel free to go to all the trouble and provide links and state your case...I'm sure The CENSUS BUREAU will be very interested!
