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ehh, splitting hairs but still dont see a way to get to that; selctively you may be able to chunk enough, but probably would have slectively chuck out, not one clean cut; thus to me is a little too mcuh cherry picking; maybe 2.6 in 650 dunno
My speculation the best place to chunk with little impact to population is the SE of DC and no where near MOCO (even these lower populated areas of MOCO in the range would be required)
ehh, splitting hairs but still dont see a way to get to that; selctively you may be able to chunk enough, but probably would have slectively chuck out, not one clean cut; thus to me is a little too mcuh cherry picking; maybe 2.6 in 650 dunno
My speculation the best place to chunk with little impact to population is the SE of DC and no where near MOCO (even these lower populated areas of MOCO in the range would be required)
Not cherrypicking anything. Just saying look at the densest contiguous 2.6-2.7m and you will be well below 700. Just taking out Great Falls drops you 18 sq miles while losing only 8k. Also on the east side of the Beltway you have a lot of empty space. You will lose a little bit of population but you will shed a lot of sq mileage.
2.6m in 600 seems like a decent and far from aggressive estimate to me.
Not cherrypicking anything. Just saying look at the densest contiguous 2.6-2.7m and you will be well below 700. Just taking out Great Falls drops you 18 sq miles while losing only 8k. Also on the east side of the Beltway you have a lot of empty space. You will lose a little bit of population but you will shed a lot of sq mileage.
2.6m in 600 seems like a decent and far from aggressive estimate to me.
You realize Seattle in the DT is not even half as dense as Philly correct? And drops off to 33% the density in the next set of nabes?
DC is about 55% as dense
SF a tad more (15-20%) in the ~DT
Chicago about the same in the core
NY; well NYC is well above all of them; Manhattan as a whole is almost 400% on average more dense than DT Seattle (NYC kills all places on this metric) But in your list Seattle is by far the significant ladggard on density with DC next lowest
Kid, do you ever take structural density in consideration? I think population density and structural density make up the urbanity pot of gumbo. Where DC lacks in population density, it makes up for it in structural density, hence DT lover's post. Philly is supremely dense population wise but Center City does lack development in certain parts.
Kid, do you ever take structural density in consideration? I think population density and structural density make up the urbanity pot of gumbo. Where DC lacks in population density, it makes up for it in structural density, hence DT lover's post. Philly is supremely dense population wise but Center City does lack development in certain parts.
We have had this discussion before. Honestly in terms of pure structual density I would think Philly is more structually dense. Even with some surface lots (honestly in terms of the coverage of actual footprint you are probably talking like 1-2% of the land in reality; add in the wider DC streets and it is likely more than made up for honestly) two things lead me to believe the stuctual density in DT is greater than DT DC.
While DC has more office sq footage, it is also spread over a larger area. Daytime worker per sq mile is very similar between DT DC and DT Philly (lots more up developement in Philly though also more 3 story structure) coupled with the higher population desnity (ie more residential structure) and narrower vs wider streets in general between the two I think Philly may actually be more structually dense. It definately feels tighter on the street to me. Not sure how to Purely determine with hard and fast numbers or to prove either way, but my guess is that Philly is actually more structually dense, but not 100% sure
Think I have the same scale here, not sure both pretty well developed for sure, overall, not 100% sure though for the reasons I stated earlier might think there is more structual desnity in Philly
We have had this discussion before. Honestly in terms of pure structual density I would think Philly is more structually dense. Even with some surface lots (honestly in terms of the coverage of actual footprint you are probably talking like 1-2% of the land in reality; add in the wider DC streets and it is likely more than made up for honestly) two things lead me to believe the stuctual density in DT is greater than DT DC.
While DC has more office sq footage, it is also spread over a larger area. Daytime worker per sq mile is very similar between DT DC and DT Philly (lots more up developement in Philly though also more 3 story structure) coupled with the higher population desnity (ie more residential structure) and narrower vs wider streets in general between the two I think Philly may actually be more structually dense. It definately feels tighter on the street to me. Not sure how to Purely determine with hard and fast numbers or to prove either way, but my guess is that Philly is actually more structually dense, but not 100% sure
Think I have the same scale here, not sure both pretty well developed for sure, overall, not 100% sure though for the reasons I stated earlier might think there is more structual desnity in Philly
So I guess the short answer is dont know but would speculate the density (smaller footprint) is greater in the DT of Philly, but not 100% sure
DC is generally consistant because they just decided to create the city out of thin air in 1800ish, while Philly started as a small town and grew, so relics of the past are still present in Center City.
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