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Houston has more homicides than the entire state of Massachusetts despite having 1/3rd the population and being 65% the size of Rhode Island by land area.
Thats how silly you sound.
Homicides need to be looked at neighborhood vs. neighborhood level, not "city wide" level because homicides are not even distributed geographically through a cityscape and have zero correlation with density, only socioeconomics.
Say it again for the people in the back. It’s also related to street crew/gang culture and drugs. Cities without deep roots in that won’t have people with the mentality to kill.
Houston has more homicides than the entire state of Massachusetts despite having 1/3rd the population and being 65% the size of Rhode Island by land area.
Thats how silly you sound.
Homicides need to be looked at neighborhood vs. neighborhood level, not "city wide" level because homicides are not even distributed geographically through a cityscape and have zero correlation with density, only socioeconomics.
How is it only associated with socioeconomics when there are plenty of neighborhoods throughout the United States with equivalent socioeconomic status and highly variable crime statistics.
Houston has more homicides than the entire state of Massachusetts despite having 1/3rd the population and being 65% the size of Rhode Island by land area.
Thats how silly you sound.
Homicides need to be looked at neighborhood vs. neighborhood level, not "city wide" level because homicides are not even distributed geographically through a cityscape and have zero correlation with density, only socioeconomics.
Doesn’t sound silly, sounds like you just debunked the whole “city limits gerrymandering” argument and like no, 600 homicides a year in Chicago is a massive raw number (higher than all of New England combined actually) and shouldn’t be explained away with “Well Chicago is a big city”
Also that last point is generally true in every city.
As we saw with DC by Ward while true there is concentration, the whole distribution shifts up the scale to what’s considered a decent area of DC is as bad as the worst areas of Boston
Doesn’t sound silly, sounds like you just debunked the whole “city limits gerrymandering” argument and like no, 600 homicides a year in Chicago is a massive raw number (higher than all of New England combined actually) and shouldn’t be explained away with “Well Chicago is a big city”
Also that last point is generally true in every city.
As we saw with DC by Ward while true there is concentration, the whole distribution shifts up the scale to what’s considered a decent area of DC is as bad as the worst areas of Boston
Comparing Chicago to one of the wealthiest and most educated states is disingenuous
Had Baltimore and St. Louis city and county merged into one like Philadelphia, they wouldn’t be cracking the “most homicidal” lists every year. Homicide rate by MSA a better indication of homicide data outside of the primary city.
Baltimore City+Co would have a homicide rate of 15/100k and St. Louis City+Co. Would have a homicide rate of 16/100k both of which are lower than Houston
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Homicides need to be looked at neighborhood vs. neighborhood level, not "city wide" level because homicides are not even distributed geographically through a cityscape and have zero correlation with density, only socioeconomics.
What's your basis for that? There are several studies that have found a correlation between density and homicides.
That sort of makes sense more people bumping up against each other. Obviously it's not the only factor socioeconomics, demographics, availability of guns, etc also matter. https://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/13030.html
What's your basis for that? There are several studies that have found a correlation between density and homicides.
That sort of makes sense more people bumping up against each other. Obviously it's not the only factor socioeconomics, demographics, availability of guns, etc also matter. https://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/13030.html
Density increases risk perception as it inherently brings more people into contact with you at any one given time, it doesn’t really affect where homicides geographically occur as that’s driven by socioeconomic, not raw population.
If anything density increases “eyes on the ground” and makes it harder for people to commit violent crimes.
Doesn’t sound silly, sounds like you just debunked the whole “city limits gerrymandering” argument and like no, 600 homicides a year in Chicago is a massive raw number (higher than all of New England combined actually) and shouldn’t be explained away with “Well Chicago is a big city”
Also that last point is generally true in every city.
As we saw with DC by Ward while true there is concentration, the whole distribution shifts up the scale to what’s considered a decent area of DC is as bad as the worst areas of Boston
City gerrymandering is for paper statistics like this forum which is why I said it’s neighborhood vs neighborhood thing irl.
Density increases risk perception as it inherently brings more people into contact with you at any one given time, it doesn’t really affect where homicides geographically occur as that’s driven by socioeconomic, not raw population.
If anything density increases “eyes on the ground” and makes it harder for people to commit violent crimes.
I'm not sure what you are basing that view on.
The studies I linked to reported that yes, socioeconomics is a key driver. But even when you control for socioeconomics, density is associated with higher crime.
Directly from one of the links:
"The study found higher rates of all types of violent crime in areas of high-density residential land use, even after controlling for overall population. The correlation was more pronounced in disadvantaged areas but held true in other areas as well.
"There seems to be something about (high-density residential) units that is associated with all types of serious violent crime, even controlling for the other factors in the model," the authors write. "Apparently, high-density housing units promote serious violent crime.""
The studies I linked to reported that yes, socioeconomics is a key driver. But even when you control for socioeconomics, density is associated with higher crime.
Directly from one of the links:
"The study found higher rates of all types of violent crime in areas of high-density residential land use, even after controlling for overall population. The correlation was more pronounced in disadvantaged areas but held true in other areas as well.
"There seems to be something about (high-density residential) units that is associated with all types of serious violent crime, even controlling for the other factors in the model," the authors write. "Apparently, high-density housing units promote serious violent crime.""
Again that has more to do with the socioeconomics of dense living in America, rather than inherent issues with dense cities around the world.
Houston has more homicides than the entire state of Massachusetts despite having 1/3rd the population and being 65% the size of Rhode Island by land area.
Thats how silly you sound.
Homicides need to be looked at neighborhood vs. neighborhood level, not "city wide" level because homicides are not even distributed geographically through a cityscape and have zero correlation with density, only socioeconomics.
There’s nothing special about neighborhood boundaries and homicides either. It really depends on what you’re doing with the data. If you’re trying to decide where to move then neighborhood boundaries make more sense. If you’re trying to see which jurisdictions are managing crime better then you probably look at city level.
No offense to you but I think that people preferring neighborhood rates are sometimes really saying that as long as you don’t live “there” you’re fine. And “there” is usually poor and minority and that’s a slippery slope.
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