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Even Brownsville is only 30% foreign born compared to 52% for Dade County and 60% for Miami. Meanwhile PBC is 24% foreign born.
There is simply no comparison. Miami is far more "foreign" than even the RGV.
I never said anything about foreign. Down there Mexican is not foreign. I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough, it's a flaw noted and I'll be sure to be more specific from now on in my posts, thanks. I was trying to say that the RGV is not Southern in culture. Rather, it has its own unique culture that is neither American nor Mexican.
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Most of those "foreigners" in Miami are from places only a few hundred miles from South Florida itself.
I'm not sure what your point is, especially since immigrants to the RGV are almost all exclusively from Mexico.
At least in Miami-Dade while the majority are from Cuba, it's not by all means exclusive to Cubans. A sizeable chunk are from S. America and Europe, more than "a few hundred" miles away.
Either way, since we're debating which region is more 'culturally Southern', this is a very relevant fact to bring up.
You have 3 things working against you when trying to claim Miami has any 'Southern heritage':
1)No metropolis in the USA has such a high concentration of immigrants.
2)Miami was founded after the Civil War by northerners. Corpus on the otherhand was firmly entrenched on the Confederate side.
3)Miami and Southern Florida is a huge mecca for transplants from the EC unlike South Texas.
In reality, Miami was never a culturally 'Southern' city at her origin. After it was founded, some Southerners moved there from elsewhere in Florida, but now they're moving out, and you can't see any traces of this Southern culture left except maybe some street signs.
I'm not sure what your point is, especially since immigrants to the RGV are almost all exclusively from Mexico.
At least in Miami-Dade while the majority are from Cuba, it's not by all means exclusive to Cubans. A sizeable chunk are from S. America and Europe, more than "a few hundred" miles away.
Right, and this would most likely not be the case if Miami we're not a major city, so you're comparing apples to oranges in terms of immigration.
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Either way, since we're debating which region is more 'culturally Southern', this is a very relevant fact to bring up.
You have 3 things working against you when trying to claim Miami has any 'Southern heritage':
1)No metropolis in the USA has such a high concentration of immigrants.
Again, with most immigrants coming from only a few hundred miles away.
It's not that I don't see your point here. The large numbers of immigrants in Dallas and Houston are a major part of the reason their southernness is often debated.
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2)Miami was founded after the Civil War by northerners. Corpus on the otherhand was firmly entrenched on the Confederate side.
Birmingham, Alabama was also founded after the Civil War.
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3)Miami and Southern Florida is a huge mecca for transplants from the EC unlike South Texas.
Another attribute of it being a large city. South Texas does not have the opportunities needed to attract large numbers of transplants from outside the immediate region.
Imagine if Houston were located where Brownsville, TX is. It would essentially be a Mexican Miami.
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In reality, Miami was never a culturally 'Southern' city at her origin. After it was founded, some Southerners moved there from elsewhere in Florida, but now they're moving out, and you can't see any traces of this Southern culture left except maybe some street signs.
You may not see it, but other posters and I find it clearly visible within segments of South Florida's black population (obviously those not from the Caribbean).
I agree with what someone said and most people here have zero clue about what they're talking about. I have been to both regions significantly. South Florida is by far more southern then South Texas. If you are counting Miami vs San Antonio, neither are southern. But if you step outside of Miami metro, you see by far more southern influence than in rural south Texas.
And nobody on this forum will tell me any different as it concerns South Florida's black population.
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You may not see it, but other posters and I find it clearly visible within segments of South Florida's black population (obviously those not from the Caribbean).
Any evidence?
I haven't seen any southern traits there and I travel there alot. It just does not have any southern culture from my experiences and I am talking about food, accents everything. Those folks do not sound southern at all, I have not found anyone who has a accent like me, they would constantly ask me where I was from (and low key tease at the same time). I didnt grow up eating meat pies and jerk chicken or Rice and Beans. I did not eat plantains and or papaya either, thats the type of foods I was eating there. I even asked around for a soul food restaurant and even those places were invaded by the island cultures. And I am speaking in a black perspective too, thats the only folks I hang around with then I am there. Now in South Texas, I have eaten at many cafe and diners and though its not as good as home, I can clearly tell the food is southern. LOL i have never eaten a Taco in South Texas (though Im sure they probably do have some good ones). A co-worker of mine dad is from South Texas and he claims to be a southern. He is actually a forth generation Texan and from Del-Rio, he is also a Latino as well. I went to college with a few folks from South Texas as well. They never claimed to be from the south, but their accents were hella thick and clearly southern. More southern than those island folks from South Florida thats for sure...I also know black folks from South Texas too, actually dated a chick from their in undergrad (McAllen). She was indeed Southern and very prideful about it as well....
I agree with what someone said and most people here have zero clue about what they're talking about. I have been to both regions significantly. South Florida is by far more southern then South Texas. If you are counting Miami vs San Antonio, neither are southern. But if you step outside of Miami metro, you see by far more southern influence than in rural south Texas.
Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Hollywood, St Petersburg, Fort Meyers is southern ?
Right, and this would most likely not be the case if Miami we're not a major city, so you're comparing apples to oranges in terms of immigration.
Again, with most immigrants coming from only a few hundred miles away.
It's not that I don't see your point here. The large numbers of immigrants in Dallas and Houston are a major part of the reason their southernness is often debated.
Birmingham, Alabama was also founded after the Civil War.
Another attribute of it being a large city. South Texas does not have the opportunities needed to attract large numbers of transplants from outside the immediate region.
Imagine if Houston were located where Brownsville, TX is. It would essentially be a Mexican Miami.
You may not see it, but other posters and I find it clearly visible within segments of South Florida's black population (obviously those not from the Caribbean).
Houston is a Southern city, the non-immigrants there have Southern mannerisms and accents. That's not true in Miami or Broward and vast majority of PBC.
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