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Hey (Take 2) I prefer NYC to Chicago too, but why the hate...btw does Osito have his own tooth brush...and the even bigger question did Final Cut and Eurous1 ever get married?
okay sorry, it was one thing with chicago, but now all of it is getting ...demented.
Las Vegas blows away atlantic city in all categories, Atlantic City I have been once, stayed 3 days and was pretty unimpressed, the area is dirty, the casinos are sub par and the night life is all full of guidos.
Vegas now, I have been 7 times and continue to keep going... it absolutely kills Atlantic City, as does San Juan, Puerto Rico.
The same could be said for miami vs. long beach for beaches, seriously?
I'm not taking anyone's position because I like NYC & Chicago equally. But I think Take2/Osito is trying to say that you can wake up and decide (drive or Amtrak within two hours) to go to AC/Beach or the mountains being on the east coast without having to plan a trip (FLY) to Denver or Vegas.
Maybe it's you who are posting under different names? I can't imagine there are too many people who would claim the Upper Peninsula of Michigan is in Chicago.
You have no argument, so claim that everyone who doesn't buy your crap must all be the same poster!
Face it, the Fly-Over-Middle cannot compete with NYC. Chicago is a decent city, but cannot be compared with first-tier global cities.
Give it up. Check how long I've been a member. People know me on here. If you haven't figured it out, the older posters all know each other. Thats how we know its you dementor.
And I never said the UP of Michigan is in Chicago. Why the hell would it be called the Upper Peninsula of Michigan if its in IL???
So I'm gonna start responding to you and take2 as the same person.
Did you really say Long Island has better beaches than Miami? You'd rather go to Atlantic City than Vegas?
How about this. How about you never leave the NYC metro for lets say...forever. It has everything you could ever imagine right?
I'll be out enjoying this country and all of the great things it has to offer.
I reply to take2.......Osito responds. I reply to Osito...........take2 responds. It is almost as if you two are the same person.
That's how I feel talking to Chicagoans in this forum...
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Why would it be cold outside? Well, New York doesn't have the same climate as Miami year-round. If I want to go to a warm climate in late Fall or the middle of winter, Long Island is just not going to suit my needs. I hope you are not denying that NYC experiences cold weather.
Why would I? Of course New York area does not offer beach weather in January. But the summer months offer incredible beach experience. Again, do you think the 10M houses in the Hamptons were built for show? Even the rich, famous and affluent see the benefit of not having to fly to the beach even though they could very well afford it, unlike most of the general population of Chicago.
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As for the jumping in the car to go to the beach. When it is warm out, I can walk to the beach in Chicago. True, it is not an ocean, but that makes absolutely no difference to someone who just wants to lay on a sandy beach, play volleyball, take a dip in a large body of water, and just relax. Personally, I prefer fresh-water over salt-water. But hey, if the label of the large body of water (ocean vs lake) is what is most concerning to you, good for you.
It's not just the label. lake Michigan beaches are no match for ocean waves and beautiful sand of Jones Beach or South Jersey Shore. It's just does not feel the same which you may not be ware of. Atlantic shore not only offers warm Gulfstream but also fish, whales, Dolphins and the whole oceanic experience. There are no cruise ships on lake Michigan and you know why. It's just not the same. Chicago beaches for me are very superficial and dull.
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The Chicagoan can also go to casinos in a very short time frame. Chicago casinos are not as good as Atlantic City, true. Atlantic City is also not as good as Las Vegas. It all depends on what you are looking for. If you are just looking to gamble a bit, what is the difference between any of them? If you are looking for gambling + other activities, then Las Vegas is the best destination.
Casinos on the boat? LOL. Again, have you ever been to Atlantic Cty?
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As for your cost argument on flights: The main advantage Chicago has over NYC is its significantly lower cost of living. It is easier for someone to take the further weekend getaway on a plane. It is easier to save money in Chicago. That is the number one reason I am in Chicago right now. I love to travel, and living in Chicago allows me to save the money to do so. NYC wouldn't allow me that privilege at this early stage of my professional life.
Well, I have no idea what you are talking about? You can drive to places you have to fly from Chicago, either to the real ocean beach or a ski resort. You have to fly from Chicago to see world class theater and
experience world class cultural life. Do you actually save this way? The cost of living simply refelcts attractiveness of New York, dismissing it on that premise is like dismissing a Mercedes Benz for being a great and expensive car. You get what you pay for.
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I have no problem admitting that NYC is a better city than Chicago. If I could have the same quality of life there as I do in Chicago, I would be there in a second. The city just seems to be irrationally attacked by a certain few on here on issues that do not even matter to a citizen living in the respective city.
Attack? Is stating that Chicago's gateways are inferior or simply none compare to options New York provides is attacking? Again, can I say the Cubs are the worst team int he league or am I again "attacking the Cubs and Chicago" by doing so?
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I do not care that Lake Michigan is not called an "ocean". I am not a surfer, all I want is sand and water. I cannot see the other side of Lake Michigan, so for all I know it could go on forever.
I do not care that I can't drive a few hours into the mountains for one weekend of the year. If I want mountains, I fly to Colorado.
I could go on, but it is probably fruitless. This post is too long as it is.
You are right, nobody cares what the Lake Michigan is called but its beaches and experience can't match the Atlantic beach experience with waves, beautiful sand and catch of the day fish you can easily get on the shore.
Yes, you can go on but it does not change the fact that Chicago due to tis locations is devoid of real weekend gateways, if you have to fly you may as well fly from Phoenix or Anchorage.
You just don't get and I am not surprised. Most Chicagoans don't. You don't know what does it mean to drive to another big city or what does it mean to drive to the mountains and the ocean beach. There is nothing like it in a resonable distance from Chicago. Chicago is very isolated and it shows when you talk to Chicagoans. Most haven't been outside of Chicago that much. I am not talking here about the residents of Lincoln and Hyde Parks but the general population of Chicago.
I also think that considering all the options New York and generally Bosh-Wash offers, the lower cost of living in Chicago point becomes moot and bogus as it actually cost much more to experience things New Yorkers and the rest of Bosh Wash gets to experience almost for free...
I could probably get a apartment in Des Moines even cheaper than in Chicago and claim I can fly to Colorado and Florida if I really wanted but even you have to admit it is just not the same.
I'm not taking anyone's position because I like NYC & Chicago equally. But I think Take2/Osito is trying to say that you can wake up and decide (drive or Amtrak within two hours) to go to AC/Beach or the mountains being on the east coast without having to plan a trip (FLY) to Denver or Vegas.
DC, that's the point. Let's be honest, not everyone can easily fly a family of four to Vegas or Florida but almost anyone can afford a 2 hours drive or train ticket to A/C and 30 minutes drive or ticket to Jones Beach and considering the time it takes to book the tickets, get into the airport, check the luggage and go through security Jones Beach anb AC are more viable options. They are much closer and easier to get to.
Of course AC is not Vegas but New Yorkers do not go there for 24h night life and entartainement, there is plenty of that in the city but AC offers what it is supposed to: full blown casino experience. Again, there is nothing like that around Chicago, no mountains in the driving range, no real beaches, no cities to visit. If you ever spend some time in Chicago you'll find out how isolated the city feels.
Dude why do you brag about the Hamptons....Your official site Trulia said the average home price was 600k you couldn't get a decent place for that in Boulder....Ok so you were wrong Trulia is off--btw how is White Plains?
Oh that's right it's in Chicago's shadow.
Does it still hurts that Trulia showed not only the Hamptons but most of the Tri-State area more expensive than Boulder in sqf? LOL
Did you really say Long Island has better beaches than Miami? You'd rather go to Atlantic City than Vegas?
How about this. How about you never leave the NYC metro for lets say...forever. It has everything you could ever imagine right?
I'll be out enjoying this country and all of the great things it has to offer.
Of course. There are much better beaches in other South Florida towns.
And of course AC is no match for Las Vegas but you have to remember that New Yorkers do not go there for 24 night life and entertainment. We have that right in the city and AC does not offer casino on the boat but a full blown Ceasars, Trum, Ballys casino experience. You have the casino on the boat and New York has AC. Which would you chose? Keep in mind that both places are packed with people from the area....
okay sorry, it was one thing with chicago, but now all of it is getting ...demented.
Las Vegas blows away atlantic city in all categories, Atlantic City I have been once, stayed 3 days and was pretty unimpressed, the area is dirty, the casinos are sub par and the night life is all full of guidos.
Vegas now, I have been 7 times and continue to keep going... it absolutely kills Atlantic City, as does San Juan, Puerto Rico.
The same could be said for miami vs. long beach for beaches, seriously?
How much of a homer can you be...
Homer? Miami does not have the best beaches in Florida and AC is right in the area. Of course people fly to LV as well but why do that if you can drive to AC? Why spent hours in the airport, risk delays and lost luggage when you can jump on the train or in the car and be in AC in a couple of hours?
BTW. Outside of the strip LV is as unimpressive as AC.
Does it still hurts that Trulia showed not only the Hamptons but most of the Tri-State area more expensive than Boulder in sqf? LOL
PS. That's a different topic, you know?
You didn't understand my comment at all..I know the Hamptons is more expensive than Boulder...duh..but Truila your claim to fame quoted average sales prices for East Hampton at 650k.. that's only off by a few million..just goes to show how off trulia is.. most housing renovations and updates alone in EH easily run 650k...
Quoting trulia for acurate real estate stats is like getting the low down from Ronald Mcdonald
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