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NNJ would never be able to get along with PA. And a lot of PA wants to do away with Philly, and give it to Jersey. I dont think NY state can mix with PA. I actually find upstate to be more agreeable with NNJ, and that might sound strange. Plus Califas is still larger than PA, NY and Jerz put together in area.
Would Pennsylvania be better than California in terms of traits and what not?
lol why the **** does it matter? Just because it's in one state doesn't make it easier to see all the things. Has NYC being in NYS made it harder for you to see it?
California has a lot of variety but it's a big ****ing state. When I lived in LA or SD I only did the occasional road trip to SF/Tahoe or the rest of the state. It could be in some other state for all I care. It's still a long drive away.
NY and LA could be debated all day, Philly and SF too.
San Diego and Pittsburgh is a great matchup.
But after that Newark, Jersey City and Buffalo are no match for San Jose, Sacramento, Oakland and Long Beach.
Let alone the dozens of other CA cities that have more than 100,000 people. Some of these other CA cities are very wealthy and very diverse.
NY+PA+NJ Cities Pop. 100,000+ 13 cities
New York 8,175,133
Philadelphia 1,526,006
Pittsburgh 305,074
Newark 277,140
Buffalo 261,310
Jersey City 247,597
Rochester 210,565
Yonkers 195,976
Paterson 146,199
Syracuse 145,170
Elizabeth 124,969
Allentown 118,032
Erie 101,786
CA Cities Pop. 100,000+ 66 cities
Los Angeles 3,792,621
San Diego 1,307,402
San Jose 945,942
San Francisco 805,235
Fresno 494,665
Sacramento 466,488
Long Beach 462,257
Oakland 390,724
Bakersfield 347,483
Anaheim 336,265
Santa Ana 324,528
Riverside 303,871
Stockton 291,707
Chula Vista 243,916
Fremont 214,089
Irvine 212,375
San Bernardino 209,165
Oxnard 197,899
Fontana 196,069
Moreno Valley 193,365
Glendale 191,719
Huntington Beach 189,992
Santa Clarita 176,302
Garden Grove 170,883
Santa Rosa 167,815
Oceanside 167,086
Rancho Cucamonga 165,269
Ontario 163,924
Lancaster 156,633
Elk Grove 153,015
Palmdale 152,750
Corona 152,374
Salinas 150,442
Pomona 149,058
Torrance 145,438
Hayward 144,186
Escondido 143,911
Sunnyvale 140,081
Pasadena 137,122
Orange 136,416
Fullerton 135,161
Thousand Oaks 126,496
East Los Angeles 126,683
Visalia 124,442
Simi Valley 124,237
Concord 122,067
Roseville 118,788
Santa Clara 116,468
Vallejo 115,942
Victorville 115,903
El Monte 113,475
Berkeley 112,580
Downey 111,772
Costa Mesa 109,960
Inglewood 109,673
San Buenaventura 106,433
West Covina 106,098
Norwalk 105,549
Carlsbad 105,328
Fairfield 105,321
Richmond 103,701
Murrieta 103,466
Burbank 103,340
Antioch 102,372
Daly City 101,123
Temecula 100,097
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NY and LA could be debated all day, Philly and SF too.
San Diego and Pittsburgh is a great matchup.
But after that Newark, Jersey City and Buffalo are no match for San Jose, Sacramento, Oakland and Long Beach.
Let alone the dozens of other CA cities that have more than 100,000 people. Some of these other CA cities are very wealthy and very diverse.
What people think makes a better city is very subjective. I am personally a fan of the more urban eastern-type cities...so you can list all the dozens of other wealthy cities in CA that are >100,000 people, but that doesn't mean I like them better.
If I just compared the biggest cities, I like NY > LA; SF > Philly; Philly >> San Diego; and Pittsburgh > San Diego, so for me I would say this hypothetical form of PA would have better big cities than CA.
NY and LA could be debated all day, Philly and SF too.
San Diego and Pittsburgh is a great matchup.
But after that Newark, Jersey City and Buffalo are no match for San Jose, Sacramento, Oakland and Long Beach.
Let alone the dozens of other CA cities that have more than 100,000 people. Some of these other CA cities are very wealthy and very diverse.
NY+PA+NJ Cities Pop. 100,000+ 13 cities
New York 8,175,133
Philadelphia 1,526,006
Pittsburgh 305,074
Newark 277,140
Buffalo 261,310
Jersey City 247,597
Rochester 210,565
Yonkers 195,976
Paterson 146,199
Syracuse 145,170
Elizabeth 124,969
Allentown 118,032
Erie 101,786
CA Cities Pop. 100,000+ 66 cities
Los Angeles 3,792,621
San Diego 1,307,402
San Jose 945,942
San Francisco 805,235
Fresno 494,665
Sacramento 466,488
Long Beach 462,257
Oakland 390,724
Bakersfield 347,483
Anaheim 336,265
Santa Ana 324,528
Riverside 303,871
Stockton 291,707
Chula Vista 243,916
Fremont 214,089
Irvine 212,375
San Bernardino 209,165
Oxnard 197,899
Fontana 196,069
Moreno Valley 193,365
Glendale 191,719
Huntington Beach 189,992
Santa Clarita 176,302
Garden Grove 170,883
Santa Rosa 167,815
Oceanside 167,086
Rancho Cucamonga 165,269
Ontario 163,924
Lancaster 156,633
Elk Grove 153,015
Palmdale 152,750
Corona 152,374
Salinas 150,442
Pomona 149,058
Torrance 145,438
Hayward 144,186
Escondido 143,911
Sunnyvale 140,081
Pasadena 137,122
Orange 136,416
Fullerton 135,161
Thousand Oaks 126,496
East Los Angeles 126,683
Visalia 124,442
Simi Valley 124,237
Concord 122,067
Roseville 118,788
Santa Clara 116,468
Vallejo 115,942
Victorville 115,903
El Monte 113,475
Berkeley 112,580
Downey 111,772
Costa Mesa 109,960
Inglewood 109,673
San Buenaventura 106,433
West Covina 106,098
Norwalk 105,549
Carlsbad 105,328
Fairfield 105,321
Richmond 103,701
Murrieta 103,466
Burbank 103,340
Antioch 102,372
Daly City 101,123
Temecula 100,097
These lists of over 100K are somewhat useless given how small the physical boundaries are of many east coast municipalities
I mean calling Thousand Oaks etc as some urban enclave any different from any conglomeration of exurban development that would exist in say Morristown NJ is a little silly and to me makes these lists basically some pissing match with no regard to reality of place.
Or another way would you really suggest that San Jose is 3-4 times the size of Pittsburgh from a functional reality of the places. Or a place like Allentown in a very small MSA hemmed in by Philly and NYC has ~1 million people yet Allentown the city is only like 15 sq miles etc.
Though both areas have wonderful smaller cities/large towns
In the end I am not really sure what to make the list or even how to possibly factor this into any discussion but lists are wonderful and dangerous without context
Outside of SF (to me Oakland and SJ are really just extensions of the main city in the Bay as would be a Jersey City, Hoboken, Newark etc.), LA, Sac and SD or a NYC, Philly, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo all other cities are much smaller as well as their metros.
NY and LA could be debated all day, Philly and SF too.
San Diego and Pittsburgh is a great matchup.
But after that Newark, Jersey City and Buffalo are no match for San Jose, Sacramento, Oakland and Long Beach.
Let alone the dozens of other CA cities that have more than 100,000 people. Some of these other CA cities are very wealthy and very diverse.
NY+PA+NJ Cities Pop. 100,000+ 13 cities
New York 8,175,133
Philadelphia 1,526,006
Pittsburgh 305,074
Newark 277,140
Buffalo 261,310
Jersey City 247,597
Rochester 210,565
Yonkers 195,976
Paterson 146,199
Syracuse 145,170
Elizabeth 124,969
Allentown 118,032
Erie 101,786
CA Cities Pop. 100,000+ 66 cities
Los Angeles 3,792,621
San Diego 1,307,402
San Jose 945,942
San Francisco 805,235
Fresno 494,665
Sacramento 466,488
Long Beach 462,257
Oakland 390,724
Bakersfield 347,483
Anaheim 336,265
Santa Ana 324,528
Riverside 303,871
Stockton 291,707
Chula Vista 243,916
Fremont 214,089
Irvine 212,375
San Bernardino 209,165
Oxnard 197,899
Fontana 196,069
Moreno Valley 193,365
Glendale 191,719
Huntington Beach 189,992
Santa Clarita 176,302
Garden Grove 170,883
Santa Rosa 167,815
Oceanside 167,086
Rancho Cucamonga 165,269
Ontario 163,924
Lancaster 156,633
Elk Grove 153,015
Palmdale 152,750
Corona 152,374
Salinas 150,442
Pomona 149,058
Torrance 145,438
Hayward 144,186
Escondido 143,911
Sunnyvale 140,081
Pasadena 137,122
Orange 136,416
Fullerton 135,161
Thousand Oaks 126,496
East Los Angeles 126,683
Visalia 124,442
Simi Valley 124,237
Concord 122,067
Roseville 118,788
Santa Clara 116,468
Vallejo 115,942
Victorville 115,903
El Monte 113,475
Berkeley 112,580
Downey 111,772
Costa Mesa 109,960
Inglewood 109,673
San Buenaventura 106,433
West Covina 106,098
Norwalk 105,549
Carlsbad 105,328
Fairfield 105,321
Richmond 103,701
Murrieta 103,466
Burbank 103,340
Antioch 102,372
Daly City 101,123
Temecula 100,097
How does population size make a great city? Even just looking at population, you still have more people living in PA, NJ, and NY combined then you do in California. In terms of density, CA is still far less dense then these three states so you're more likely to have more cities, albeit of smaller size, in PA/NY/NJ then you would in California.
Not to mention that cities in the West are much larger, geographically speaking, then cities on the East Coast.
NY and LA could be debated all day, Philly and SF too.
San Diego and Pittsburgh is a great matchup.
But after that Newark, Jersey City and Buffalo are no match for San Jose, Sacramento, Oakland and Long Beach.
Let alone the dozens of other CA cities that have more than 100,000 people. Some of these other CA cities are very wealthy and very diverse.
NY+PA+NJ Cities Pop. 100,000+ 13 cities
New York 8,175,133
Philadelphia 1,526,006
Pittsburgh 305,074
Newark 277,140
Buffalo 261,310
Jersey City 247,597
Rochester 210,565
Yonkers 195,976
Paterson 146,199
Syracuse 145,170
Elizabeth 124,969
Allentown 118,032
Erie 101,786
CA Cities Pop. 100,000+ 66 cities
Los Angeles 3,792,621
San Diego 1,307,402
San Jose 945,942
San Francisco 805,235
Fresno 494,665
Sacramento 466,488
Long Beach 462,257
Oakland 390,724
Bakersfield 347,483
Anaheim 336,265
Santa Ana 324,528
Riverside 303,871
Stockton 291,707
Chula Vista 243,916
Fremont 214,089
Irvine 212,375
San Bernardino 209,165
Oxnard 197,899
Fontana 196,069
Moreno Valley 193,365
Glendale 191,719
Huntington Beach 189,992
Santa Clarita 176,302
Garden Grove 170,883
Santa Rosa 167,815
Oceanside 167,086
Rancho Cucamonga 165,269
Ontario 163,924
Lancaster 156,633
Elk Grove 153,015
Palmdale 152,750
Corona 152,374
Salinas 150,442
Pomona 149,058
Torrance 145,438
Hayward 144,186
Escondido 143,911
Sunnyvale 140,081
Pasadena 137,122
Orange 136,416
Fullerton 135,161
Thousand Oaks 126,496
East Los Angeles 126,683
Visalia 124,442
Simi Valley 124,237
Concord 122,067
Roseville 118,788
Santa Clara 116,468
Vallejo 115,942
Victorville 115,903
El Monte 113,475
Berkeley 112,580
Downey 111,772
Costa Mesa 109,960
Inglewood 109,673
San Buenaventura 106,433
West Covina 106,098
Norwalk 105,549
Carlsbad 105,328
Fairfield 105,321
Richmond 103,701
Murrieta 103,466
Burbank 103,340
Antioch 102,372
Daly City 101,123
Temecula 100,097
Why switch to cities here rather than using metros? NYC's metro (and the city itself) is much more important than Los Angeles's by almost any metric. Philly's metro and the Bay Area has the Bay Area edging out by a bit. San Diego beats out Pittsburgh by some. Sacramento is a decent bit better than Buffalo, Rochester, or Newark (if counted separately). It seems like a pretty even match-up to me. Of course, this is incredibly unlikely to happen.
Also, it'd make more sense to split Jersey up in two halves with one going to New York and the other going to Pennsylvania.
Maintainschaos said that PA would then have better cities with CA under such a combination of states and that is simply NOT true.
Many of California's 100,000+ have an incredibly HIGH quality of life compared to those 100,000+ cities in NY/PA/NJ...its really not close.
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