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LA and NYC are normally the two model cities when it comes to crime reduction in American large cities.
That’s why I asked to educate me unless I’m missing something like an African American statistic or something!
I know NYC is...hadn't really heard LA talked about in the same way off the top of my head, although it's obvious LA has come a long way since the 80's and 90's.
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LA and NYC are normally the two model cities when it comes to crime reduction in American large cities.
They are also the two cities that are the most criticized for the tactics they used to get that crime reduction. Granted, New York in the 80s and early 90s was at a crisis point, particular at the height of the crack/speed/angel dust trade. Those drugs flooded the streets and turned people mad.
I suppose it was natural in light of that (as well as the paranoia that stemmed from 9/11) to take the easy route and institute such overhanded and fascistic policies like Stop and Frisk that literally criminalized brown skin, but it isn't something that should be praised per se. I would also wouldn't be so quick to praise those policies for the decline in crime in the city. It could very well be the huge ecomonic upswing the city took from the late 90s onward and illicit drugs like heroin and marijuana become preferred over drugs that drove people crazy.
They are also the two cities that are the most criticized for the tactics they used to get that crime reduction. Granted, New York in the 80s and early 90s was at a crisis point, particular at the height of the crack/speed/angel dust trade. Those drugs flooded the streets and turned people mad.
I suppose it was natural in light of that (as well as the paranoia that stemmed from 9/11) to take the easy route and institute such overhanded and fascistic policies like Stop and Frisk that literally criminalized brown skin, but it isn't something that should be praised per se. I would also wouldn't be so quick to praise those policies for the decline in crime in the city. It could very well be the huge ecomonic upswing the city took from the late 90s onward and illicit drugs like heroin and marijuana become preferred over drugs that drove people crazy.
+1; i never got the indication that n.y.c. had such a crime problem moreso than average.
i guess because of n.w.a.; rodney king riots; oj simpson trial; ... l.a.'s crime problem was national news ?
also during that time frame all inner cities had crack-cocaine problems and crime is down 500% starting around 2005 (even in chicago). stop-and-frisk didnt prevent crime and probably contributed to it forcing persons to remain in crime incubation sections (ghettoized cities).
there is an aclu report that i will link to if i have time that indicated that certain cities that dont have stop-and-frisk policies saw even a further reduction in crime.
They are also the two cities that are the most criticized for the tactics they used to get that crime reduction. Granted, New York in the 80s and early 90s was at a crisis point, particular at the height of the crack/speed/angel dust trade. Those drugs flooded the streets and turned people mad.
I suppose it was natural in light of that (as well as the paranoia that stemmed from 9/11) to take the easy route and institute such overhanded and fascistic policies like Stop and Frisk that literally criminalized brown skin, but it isn't something that should be praised per se. I would also wouldn't be so quick to praise those policies for the decline in crime in the city. It could very well be the huge ecomonic upswing the city took from the late 90s onward and illicit drugs like heroin and marijuana become preferred over drugs that drove people crazy.
I got a BA in criminology so I won’t really argue your last point and will agree actually.
As far as Stop and Frisk, in my opinion it only attacked brown skin as far as marijuana, so I will agree it was partially bias but not for illegal guns.
Illegal guns in just about any city that has strict gun laws (NYC, Chicago) are virtually almost always found in the hood. So it’s natural that stop and frisk for guns take place in the ghetto because of the high crime. NYC ghettos are more diverse than usual so when it came to guns I would say police who stopped and frisk for guns probably were more biased about your attire.
And if I’m not mistakened I think NYPD doesn’t practice stop and frisk anymore but I could be wrong.
Last edited by BrooklynJo; 03-27-2018 at 01:10 PM..
+1; i never got the indication that n.y.c. had such a crime problem moreso than average.
i guess because of n.w.a.; rodney king riots; oj simpson trial; ... l.a.'s crime problem was national news ?
also during that time frame all inner cities had crack-cocaine problems and crime is down 500% starting around 2005 (even in chicago). stop-and-frisk didnt prevent crime and probably contributed to it forcing persons to remain in crime incubation sections (ghettoized cities).
there is an aclu report that i will link to if i have time that indicated that certain cities that dont have stop-and-frisk policies saw even a further reduction in crime.
NYc and LA are the largest American cities so they will be televised the most about their past, the same way Chicago has been televised non stop for the past decade even though outside of 2016/2017 Chicago’s murder rate was neither low or high. Matter of fact Chicago gets more attention than its neighbor Milwaukee that has had many years with a higher murder rate and ST. Louis which usually destroys Chicago in homicide rates.
Also one thing you should know is that NYC was also a crack empire that supplied crack throughout many cities in the northeast and southeast states. So a lot of drug kingpins in NYC were definitely a Root of a problem to other cities.
For example when Alpo was arrested it resulted in many arrest of drug dealers in the DC area when he snitched.
LA and NYC were some of the sources of the crack cocaine epedemic!
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