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1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
If Jesus is the word, and Jesus was with the Father, where is the third Godhead?
The Holy spirit is missing.
peace
According to John the Baptist, he never wrote that sentence. It was inserted later when the bible was rewritten. ("In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, etc.," is without any force, to prove that Jesus is God, or one of the Godhead, for it was never written by me or at my dictation, and does not state a truth.") - John the baptist
There can only be one God. Jesus is the Son of God as we are all Sons of God. There is no trinity for there is only ONE GOD. He created everything, including Jesus. So, in the beginning was God and the word is LOVE.
i just wanted to respond with a couple of questions
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God is one in essence but three separate persons. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit
sow me where in the scriptures it says "God the Holy Spirit"
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Of course God is one. Yet it requires three beings to = One God.
where in scripture does it say it requires 3 to be one
the concept of the trinity is a carry over from the pagans that converted to christianity, in fact the church adopted the concept, they used the concept to lure more believers into the fold.
all pagan beliefs had the concept of 3 dieties making the 1 god.
so the church felt the need to imitate.
Jesus said that "my Father is greater than I" , If the trinity is 3 being equal, there is no scripture that supports that statement, or Jesus was misinformed.
If any care to look here is a list of the spurious passages of scripture. These words are not in the original manuscripts from where we get the Bible.
Well, yes. God is one in essence but three separate persons. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are three different persons who all have the same identical essence. The three together form the Godhead or trinity. Each one is God in and of Himself and the three together are God. Just one God,not three Gods.
Through out the Bible you will find Jesus Christ being referred to in a specific passage without the other two being mentioned. And then there are also passages that will refer to all three together. The fact that they are all separate persons allows for any one of them to be referred to without mentioning the other two in the same verse.
That they all have the same essence means that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit all have the very same Sovereignty, Righteousness, Justice, Love, Eternal Life, Omniscience, Omnipresence, Omnipotence, Immutability, and Veracity.
Well, yes. God is one in essence but three separate persons.
what is this essence that you spoke about? does that mean the same spirit?
According to John the Baptist, he never wrote that sentence. It was inserted later when the bible was rewritten. ("In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, etc.," is without any force, to prove that Jesus is God, or one of the Godhead, for it was never written by me or at my dictation, and does not state a truth.") - John the baptist
There can only be one God. Jesus is the Son of God as we are all Sons of God. There is no trinity for there is only ONE GOD. He created everything, including Jesus. So, in the beginning was God and the word is LOVE.
John the Baptist DIDN'T write that. John the Disciple did. They were 2 different people.
Nevermind the fact that we shouldn't be trying to gain spiritual truths by divination. Frankly, that doesn't surprise me that you can't even get the author of John's Gospel straight. Honestly....if your source was ACTUALLY the Baptist, you'd think he would have mentioned that little tidbit.
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Originally Posted by Hotep
1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
If Jesus is the word, and Jesus was with the Father, where is the third Godhead?
The Holy spirit is missing.
peace
So he's not mentioned? Do all 3 have to be mentioned every time one of them is?
According to John the Baptist, he never wrote that sentence. It was inserted later when the bible was rewritten. ("In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, etc.," is without any force, to prove that Jesus is God, or one of the Godhead, for it was never written by me or at my dictation, and does not state a truth.") - John the baptist
There can only be one God. Jesus is the Son of God as we are all Sons of God. There is no trinity for there is only ONE GOD. He created everything, including Jesus. So, in the beginning was God and the word is LOVE.
There is so much I could say here. Yet, if Jesus is not God. Why does the New Testament say that Jesus made (ALL) things, including the earth. Yet the Old Testament tells us that the God of the Old Testament made all things including the earth alone and by himself? So which account is truthful here? The Old Testament account, or the New Testament account? Or is both accounts accurate? I personally believe both accounts are accurate. I believe to establish a correct understanding of the Godhead, it requires answering these obvious questions.
Last edited by Campbell34; 08-19-2009 at 05:41 PM..
IMMEDIATE DISCLAIMER: ~~June truly is the last person to know the answer to this one! Take whatever comes out of her mouth with a grain of salt, and let it suffice to say that she is STILL in the process of breaking down that first sentence ever since Alpha's "John Thread!"
P.S. ^^ "Grrrrrr....!"
June's take: June couldn't help but wonder whether John wasn't outrageously brilliant in writing (what is perhaps) one of the most superb opening statements/lines in history. June figured that in it's being a parallel to the opening lines in Genesis, that John was essentially establishing and relating the sovereignty of Jesus up front. In that respect, it more or less speaks to the fact that the God of the OT, and the heralding in of Jesus as presented in John's gospel are in fact, the same ones. So John, (to June's ignorant way of thinking) was setting that precedent right off the bat.
As far as the absence of the Holy Spirit in that first line, June always thought that it wasn't until the the death of Jesus that the Holy Spirit was introduced, "sent" and as such, John's initial focus was on setting the stage for the inter-relationship of the three. In other words, while the three are One, the Father (in loving the Son) sent Jesus. Jesus, in turn, (in His love for all mankind) sent the Holy Spirit in the aftermath of his death as a means by which the 'comforter' could better enable mankind to remain in relationship with Him.
Thus, the Trinity is One via their being relational. Jesus's sending of the Holy Spirit, in turn, makes God relational, as well (through love) for mankind.
It's also an incredibly effective means by which to inter-connect the OT and John's gospel, thereby making it more credible to his readers.
--Is June making any sense here? (I'm tellin' ya, nonbeliever's really shouldn't try and take on these sort of things, at least not this early in the morning!!!)
Oh well. At least she tried...
Take gentle care.
Well done, June.(There is a deeper more esoteric import to it as well, tho)
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Just the Father and The Son!
(There is a deeper more esoteric import to it as well, tho)
