Can one be pro-abortion and Catholic at the same time? (Sodom, doctrine)
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I didn't want to derail another thread, so I bring this question up in another thread.
I would argue that it is impossible to be Catholic and be pro-abortion at the same time. The two are polar opposites. The act of practicing the Catholic faith goes against the act of ever supporting the murder of the innocent unborn.
Abortion is contrary to Christian principles. Unfortunately, it seems a vast majority of Christians do not follow Biblical principles or have a Christian worldview. Does this mean that they are, or are not Christians? We know that only the Lord knows the heart and will deliver judgment.
As Christians we can only engage those who don’t follow God’s word in an effort to show them their error in a kind loving way. Then comes the difficult part – we must be ready and willing to be corrected in those areas that we stray from Biblical principle and Gods word.
I didn't want to derail another thread, so I bring this question up in another thread.
I would argue that it is impossible to be Catholic and be pro-abortion at the same time. The two are polar opposites. The act of practicing the Catholic faith goes against the act of ever supporting the murder of the innocent unborn.
Why not?
Nobody can be a perfect catholic.
Because those who call pro-choice catholics uncatholic are uncatholic themselves. First, catholicism forbids abortion, it goes on to forbid accusation and finger-pointing and then it goes on to forbid several other sins. Nobody's perfect.
Several catholics are pro-choice. It does not mean they necessarily go against catholicism. Strictly speaking, it does, in concept. But will they totally pull out of the church and communion? No way.
Catholicism is like a cake. The members take as many slices as they can take. The rest, they are free to leave it untouched.
I had this debate, and the possible end of a friendship, with an acquaintance on this very topic. He is a hard-line Catholic, who is actually in his mid-30s, and who has all the "right" bumper stickers on his car. Needless to say, there are very few extreme right-wing Catholics under 40, from what I've seen.
I am generally against abortion. I'm not comfortable with it, from the standpoint that it ends life. However, I belief that "life" had to have been put in place by consensual relations. If someone's free will is violated in the process, then I think she needs to get to the doctor immediately, have this taken care of, and should not be made to carry the fetus. On top of this, think of how much therapy the person will need. Very sad. How about the spin that a Catholic can be against abortion, but in favor of it when extinuating circumstances prevail? That's my take. And I'm ok with the "moral relativism" the Church is worried about....oh brother...
I didn't want to derail another thread, so I bring this question up in another thread.
I would argue that it is impossible to be Catholic and be pro-abortion at the same time. The two are polar opposites. The act of practicing the Catholic faith goes against the act of ever supporting the murder of the innocent unborn.
That's like asking, Can one be a Catholic and sodomize little boys like so many Catholic priests have done, are doing and will continue to do? And they go to confession, confess their sins and so are protected and go right back to their innocent little kiddies to rear end 'em over and over.
My oldest brother's two boys were victimized by their priest and the diocese in Columbus Ohio didn't do a darn thing about it. They are a bunch of freakin hypocrites! Save the babies from abortion so the priests can sodomize and molest them so the children grow up to commit suicide later in life.
Because those who call pro-choice catholics uncatholic are uncatholic themselves. First, catholicism forbids abortion, it goes on to forbid accusation and finger-pointing and then it goes on to forbid several other sins. Nobody's perfect.
Several catholics are pro-choice. It does not mean they necessarily go against catholicism. Strictly speaking, it does, in concept. But will they totally pull out of the church and communion? No way.
Catholicism is like a cake. The members take as many slices as they can take. The rest, they are free to leave it untouched.
Sorry but Catholicism is not like a cake. You cannot take want you want and reject others. Catholics must accept the teachings of the church. Once you reject an essential teaching, you cease to be Catholic, and become a Protestant that goes to a Catholic church.
Sorry but part of being Catholic is accepting the teaching authority of The Church.
Sorry but Catholicism is not like a cake. You cannot take want you want and reject others. Catholics must accept the teachings of the church. Once you reject an essential teaching, you cease to be Catholic, and become a Protestant that goes to a Catholic church.
Sorry but part of being Catholic is accepting the teaching authority of The Church.
I cannot agree more.
But we can keep telling this in theory. But the laity as a whole has changed the doctrine into slices of cake, which they take as they choose and like.
Practically, on the ground, the catholics of today, a fair share of them are pro-choice.
There simply is no way they will be made to change their stance and the church authority cannot simply impress upon them, despite the amount of lecturing during countless sunday sermons.
Abortion need not be blown out of proportions so much so that it needs a schism.
The only schism I see fit and I personally think was justified was the Eastern-Western schism of the 10th century. The rest are usurpers.
I don't know anyone who's pro-abortion. Personally, I'm pro-choice.
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