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hmmm...just a quick question for blue62, forest beekeeper, bluepacific, and firstborn, and anyone else who questions the trinity doctrine.
From what translation/s do you study? Just wondering if there is one particular translation that can lead to one questioning the trinity, not understanding the trinity, or dismissing the trinity all together.
As far as myself, you will find many if you've read the history of my postings. I also reference usually which ones they are. Most here don't and there's an obvious reason for that. One of the best comparison online websites for several is the BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions and 50 languages. But their only flaw is they have left out the Catholic Translations which could only mean the folks behind it are of protestant background. However, it is the "Authorized King James Version" which most here seem to want to reference for the Triune-Godhead cause. It has several spurious verses which were doctored by the translators to explain their mystery.
But as with most of these dead end subject threads, this won't be going anywhere.
Remember the account of Abraham taking Isaac up and almost sacrifing him? As a parent reading that, it brings tears to your eyes...to think about the pain that Abraham felt.
It really foreshadows God sending Jesus to earth as a sacrifice, knowing what he would have to endure. The pain, the torture and eventual gruesome death. We can feel what God's pain was seeing his son Jesus go through this.
John 3:16 says (NIV)
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
How could Jesus, God's only BEGOTTEN (created) son be God???
Jesus proved that a perfect human, with free will, will be faithful to God...essentially righting the wrongs of Adam and Eve. That is the corresponding sacrifice.
Ever met a perfect human?, remember ALL fall short infront the Glory of God)
Sin is eternal because we offend an eternal God and only an eternal being can forgive an eternal offense.
If Jesus is created and not eternal, then how can a finite being forgive an eternal offense of billions of people?
The godhead, that which is divine, [theios]
(KJV) Acts 17.29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the godhead is like unto gold,or silver,or stone, graven by art and man's device.
( NKJV) Acts 17.29 "Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think the DivineNature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising.
(NASB)Acts 17.29 "Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the DivineNature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art of man.
(ASV) Acts 17.29 Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and device of man.
(RSV) Acts 17.29 Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the Deity is like gold, or silver, or stone.....
( Confraternity) Acts 17.29 It therefore we are the offspring of God, we ought not to imagine that the Divinity is like gold, or silver,or gold...
(NIV) Acts 17.29 "Therefore we are God's offspring, we should not think that thedivinebeing is like gold or silver or stone----
There you have it, twosay "godhead" , twosay "DivineNature" , onesays "Diety", onesays "Divinity, all of which can imply morethanone-HOW SO???. Only the NIV says "the divine being", as if it were singular. Which are you going to believe ? It is 6 against one !
Now were do you get the idea that the godhead was invented by man ?
BTW, there are two other places where the godhead is spoken of...from theiotes, Divinity, and theotes, deity, they are in Romans 1.20 and Col. 2.9. I haven't looked up each translation's 'take' on them, but I am sure it would be similar.
Okay...I did look up Col. 2.9 in the NIV, and it says : For in Christ all the fullness of the Diety lives in bodily form,
and in the NKJV... "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;"
I purpose that the NIV is very suspect when it comes to the truth of the scriptures. How many are being misled by that 'translation' ????
Great scripture talking about not worshipping false gods or objects of veneration.
However, I don't see how this points to a trinity? It still is talking in a singular form. di·vin·i·ty–noun, plural -ties. 1.the quality of being divine; divine nature. 2.deity; godhood. 3.a divine being; God. 4.the Divinity, (sometimes lowercase) the Deity. 5.a being having divine attributes, ranking below God but above humans: minor divinities. 6.the study or science of divine things; theology. 7.godlike character; supreme excellence.
How is he the perfect ransom? How can a created being forgive an eternal offense?
That's my question
...because it was a created being who made the offense in the first place. If jesus is God, then that couldn't be considered an equal sacrifice. After all how could God possibly sin against himself or choose to listen to satan. Satan and others could always raise the argument that it wasn't fair. Adam and Eve were created perfect in God's image with likenesses and qualities. Jesus was created perfect as well. Both had free will. Both had the opportunity to choose to follow God or Satan. Satan tried tempting Jesus, but he refused (unlike Adam and Eve). That is Satan's whole argument...that humans don't need God and won't follow God freely. Jesus proved Satan wrong and was basically offered up as a sacrifice.
sin is eternal regargless if the being that committed it is finite.
If someone committed an offense against you it will remain with you till the day you die. If you lived forever then it will always remain with you.
If God is eternal then all the sins of the world, past, present and future will remain with God. How can a finite being be enough to forgive all the eternal sin "vomit" (God's words)?
Wouldn't eternal sin offend an infinite God eternally which is why Hell is an eternal punishment because that sin will have to be punished eternally because God is a just God.
[quote=Reformed Liberal;5137215]Do you have to believe in the Trinity to be saved?" The answer is - yes and no.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. :10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Do you have to believe in the Trinity to be saved?" The answer is - yes and no.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. :10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Why must men add more into God's Word?
Insisting to make up their own doctrines?
I don't know why don't you ask, Benny Hinn, Olstein etc....because by your account, pornography is ok, looking at naked women doing whateva is pleasing to God. Let's face it, pornography is not in the bible.
One way to explain it to a new believer without getting too theological is:
God thinks it Jesus speaks it The Holy Spirit does it
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) the Deity. 5.a being having divine attributes, ranking below God but above humans: minor divinities. 6.the study or science of divine things; theology. 7.godlike character; supreme excellence.
. I was not alive when Adam and Eve were created perfect and I wasn't around when Jesus was on earth. 
